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Author Topic: Any experience with Qube Cinema equipment? Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-01-2009 09:08 PM                     quote: Brendan Penny Sure, a lot of these new 'd cinema' companies that have emerged can install of projector and server but are pretty clueless when it comes to all the other cinema components such as automation, sound systems, speakers, masking systems etc. The integrators here have hired other qualified techs that can deal with the other things on the list. ONe thing is for sure you are not going to get away fomr the new breed of technician no matter where you go. One thing is for sure... both you and I will be laughing hard when the first board fails in a projector and they try to figure it out with out the usual factory tech support available at the other end of the phone!!! Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-01-2009 11:24 PM                     Yeah, it is odd that Christie, the first out of the gate with all HDCP compliant projectors is bringing up the rear on the HDCP scaler/switcher. Barco, the first out of the gate with the scaler/switcher, was slow in HDCP compliance and still doesn't have triple-flash on the DP3000...in these 3D times. The CineIPM will need more than HDCP to catch the ACS 2048 though. It has 12-bit output, the CineIPM is only 8-bit...and then there is the actuall formatting. The ACS2048 can pretty precisely scale the input source to the desired output (keeping aspect ratio and proportions. With Christie's box, it is more judgement call as to when it is right and I think I've run into a processing power limitation on dealing with letterboxed videos. The ACS2048 is clearly a DCinema specific version of the very successful Folsom ImageProHD...they stripped out a lot of the output stuff since all DCinema projectors have the same inputs and then optimized it for typical inputs. The price is also really good...much cheaper than most alternatives, including Christie. As for the projector controls...For day to day, they all are okay, really...for set up...Christie's are VERY SLLLLLOOOOOOWWWWW. Want to configure a channel...it seems like you've got a bad dial-up connection as it loads the channel configuration. Its faster on the TPC than on the Web interface but still it is too slow. On the CP2000-M, you also have a very sluggish lens controller added into the mix. Please note, I don't want to seem like I'm picking on Christie...There are things I like and dislike on both Barco and Christie...nobody has a perfect projector (film or digital). Steve Steve  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-02-2009 10:05 AM                     quote: Steve Guttag and still doesn't have triple-flash on the DP3000...in these 3D times. Actually it does have triple-flash. It just does not support full resolution of the DMD chips. You need to resize the image in the Communicator software and if hopefully your zoom lens is capable of zooming more then you can get away with it. It is not full resolution but it does have triple-flash. Demetris  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-02-2009 02:00 PM                     Demetrus, Steve meant to say Full Frame Triple Flash. All projectors manufactured at least by Christie can do this. It wasn't a matter of the DMD chips either... they could already do it. Twas the support chips on the EFIB boards that couldnn't muster up the speed to support the DMD at that speed. Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-02-2009 04:00 PM                     Thanks Mark...yes that is what I meant. Full rez triple flash. Steve  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 08-02-2009 07:31 PM                       The ZX only has had full res. triple flash since around 12/2008. Hopefully Barco will catch up on the DP 3000 as you need to scale down the pixel count by 34% and then zoom the lens back to full screen size if possible for 1.85. The light output drops accordingly as well.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 08-02-2009 07:53 PM                     quote: Steve Guttag nobody has a perfect projector (film or digital) Wha??? Even the almighty Kinoton from the German gods, dare you say?  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-02-2009 10:04 PM                     I dare, I dare! So far, there are no exceptions to this rule that I have found. It is just that some get closer than others. -Steve  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-03-2009 01:05 AM                     quote: Brad Miller Wha??? Even the almighty Kinoton from the German gods, dare you say? Does Kinoton use the DP3000 or the DP90 OEM version?  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 08-03-2009 12:06 PM                     Kinoton were using the DP100 but have recently switched to the DP3000. The nwe D Cine Communicator software is a lot slicker, and I am told the DP3000 light engine is more optically efficient. I have no A-B data on this, certainly the last one we put in was not struggling for light, initially a 1600w lamp, this will shortly be reduced to 1000w.  |  IP: Logged Brendan Penny Expert Film Handler Posts: 121 From: Bundoora, Australia Registered: Dec 2008 posted 08-05-2009 05:17 AM                     O.k this has really gone off topic a bit but since it was raised!! Why on earth would anyone buy a Kinoton DCP100 when its just a Barco in a Kinoton lamphouse? Surely it can't be priced reasonably if they have to license the guts of the projector from Barco. Anyone ever priced these? Would be interested to find the reason why people would buy one.  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 08-05-2009 09:10 AM                        back to my qube issues , we replace the video card in it and now it works just fine 3d and 2d both working fine , guess it was a dud from new. phil  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-05-2009 09:30 AM                     quote: Brendan Penny Why on earth would anyone buy a Kinoton DCP100 when its just a Barco in a Kinoton lamphouse? HA! I posted thst statement a while back and got my ass chewed by several people here... But I'm afraid though that it's still a very valid point!!! I wold just go dorectly to the source myself... Mark  |  IP: Logged David Kilderry Master Film Handler Posts: 355 From: Melbourne Australia Registered: Sep 1999 posted 08-05-2009 10:06 AM                        Brendan, you'd be surprised on some of these down-the-supply-line deals; they can actually be very competitive. I saw Qube servers operating again today and had the chance for a much closer look. They certainly have some flexibilities (already mentioned here) and the price seems right, but.......what percentage of marketshare do they have, how solid is their financial footing? I pose these questions about all the digital hardware suppliers at this time, as in the next few years there will be fallout, mergers and crashes.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-05-2009 10:50 AM                     Qube has Indian market by far. As far as choosing a Kinoton equivalent I would rather use a manufacturer who knows what film business means rather than the Barco unit. Only the engine and ELCA box is the same. Lamphouse (which in Barco sucks bigtime) lamphouse supply e.t.c are all different. And the constructions seems more robust. Barcos' DP3000 engine seems to output the brightest image today. Demetris  |  IP: Logged

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