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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 12-23-2011 07:14 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That is a way of looking at it...I find the whole IMB thing annoying...it moves the sound to the projector and often requires a cable of limited length capability. It can cause boot up issues since now the media block is powered off the projector rather than the player.

I'm not quite sure what the 2K IMBs really get one other than high frame rate 3D. 48fps 2D is already available on HIGHLY RELIABLE SDI cables. Then again, the Enigma module can kiss my a**.

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Philip Jones
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Are there any keyboard commands you can use with the Dolby DSS-200 rather than using the mouse to press play etc?

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Steve Guttag
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None that I am aware of but...

You can create hard wired Start/Stop/Pause buttons using the GPIO connector on the player and not have to use any particular screen to access them. One can also, serially, create Start/Stop/Pause commands for remote control...including via automations.

-Steve

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Juan Carlos Vasquez Cahua
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I work at Peru's main exhibitor, and we have 35 digital screens, all of them running with NEC projectors, and only in this first 2 and a half months of 2012 we had replaced 1 CPU BOARD, 2 PJKEY BOARDS and 1 ICP BOARD. (4 board failures, in 2.5 months, with 35 screens).

For me it's quite a large ammount of Board failures, because doing the maths that ammount of board failures means that I would have every other projector have a board failure every year; but I have no point of comparison because I haven't used any other projectors.

Anybody that could help me making that comparison? Thanks a lot in advance!

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Justin Hamaker
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Juan, my understanding is that if you're going to have a board failure, it will usually happen in the first 500 hours or so. While we had some issues immediately after install, everything has been running without issue since.

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Juan Carlos Vasquez Cahua
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Well, the 4 projectors where we had those problems have been working since first half of last year. Their "ages" go from 8 to 12 months. And we make them work aprox 300 hours per month, so they are a lot above 2000 hours. Is that normal on NEC projectors to have failures at 2000 hours?

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System Notices
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It has been 467 days since the last post.


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Saquib Baqai
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Hello everyone from Karachi Pakistan. In our theater we had a Barco DP2K-23B which was a breeze to work on, Last year i went to Kinoton Gmbh (Munich, Germany) for Level 1 Installation/Technician certification where i got hands on experience on Kinoton version of 2K projectors, I found Barco to be much more easier to work on especially changing the lamp, On the other hand Kinton were more robust in comparison. I have yet to get my hands on Kristie but have heard good things about them.

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Brad Miller
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Kinoton and Barco are essentially the same projector.

Christie is far easier to change a lamp in.

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Keith Stata
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I have a small 5 screen movie theatre in cottage country Ontario Canada. www.highlandscinemas.com The business is seasonal with the bulk of it being done in 9 short weeks. We also have an extensive museum which you can see a bit of on our web-site. I debated for some time whether to close or continue because of the huge cost, problems I had heard of and short season. We did switch to digital and are using the new Barco DP2K-10S with Doremi Show Vault servers.
There have been quite a few bugs to say the least, the most disconcerting is on installation they had to replace a Doremi IMB card which is in the projector. Now 50 hours in another one has gone and cost us 3 days down time on that screen. I know of another theatre near us that had one go 10 days in. This certainly does not inspire confidence in Doremi or the reliability of this product. Is anyone out there familiar with this machine and similar problems with the Doremi IMB card??

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Justin Hamaker
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We just installed a Barco 32B 2K in our drive-in about 2 weeks ago. We're using the GDC SX2000AR server with IMB, and USL JSD-60 sound processor. We're using a Ushio 6500W bulb.

We have a 90' x 40' screen with about a 450' throw. I don't have the lens information handy, but we are just a few inches short of filling the screen horizontally in scope, and completely fill the screen vertically in flat - essentially the same as with 35mm.

I have to say I am amazed by how much light we're getting on the screen. I don't have a light meter, so I don't have an actual measurement. But I would guess we are getting at least twice the light as we were with 35mm. And the quality of the picture is amazing.

This is the taken shortly after the projector was powered up for the first time. At this point I had just loaded our logo as a test pattern. The picture was taken at 8:55pm, about 20 minutes before our normal start time.
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This one was taken at 9:15pm the same night, which would be our normal start time.
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And finally, this is just to show something familiar. This was taken well after dark and the business was closed, so there were no lights on at all. I would have to go back and check the original image to see what aperture and shutter settings I used, but it was taken by hand (no tripod). Playback was paused on the Fox logo for the sake of the picture.
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Since we're just 2 weeks in, I can't give anything more than my initial impression, but I am extremely impressed with what's on screen. Our audio is transmitted in FM stereo, so having a digital source has resulted in a cleaner sound.

The only issue I've had to date was when we played After Earth, which is 4K content. Because the server is capable of playing 2K and 4K content, we had to change a setting in the GDC to always play at 2K. But this was caught during testing, and fixed before any paid presentation.

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Jack Ondracek
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I would echo Justin's comments about the Barco. We have one 32B and two 23B's here.

Initial issues revolved around a software glitch between the Doremi server and something in the projector. Occasionally, we would start things up and get no picture. The problem was fixed with a software update and we've had no problems since.

Currently, my only issue is with the Ushio 6500 watt bulb. The andode on the "B" version droops within 140 hours or so, eventually preventing the bulb from lighting. We're currently on our 3rd bulb in our first season. However, this doesn't appear to be an issue with the projector or server.

Given that, I have no problem with changing the bulb. It's a matter of what you get used to. I like the sealed nature of the system, given that our drive-in is a bit dusty. We vent the projectors into the booth and pull the heat out with (really big) air conditioners, which also helps the dust issue.

Another drive-in in our state upgraded to a Christie. From what I hear, they're happy with the choice they made.

To each his own. I made my choices, based on what I considered good information at the time. I'm well into my first season and am very comfortable that I did the right thing for this location.

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Steve Guttag
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For the record, none of our Ushio 6.5KW lamps have had striking issues in the rated period. I only get striking issues with Osram lamps (pick a size) or with older lamps. Barco does give up on striking the lamp a bit too easy. I hear that they are working on that issue and a change is coming...when, I don't know. They just issued 1.10.118 software but I didn't see that issue in the release notes so I'm guessing it will wait for 1.11

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Steve Guttag
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Following up on this topic. Barco just issued 1.11.133. This is supposed to improve lamp strike reliability. I have loaded it and it not only updates the main software, it is the first update in a LONG, LONG time that updates the Lamp Power Supply software. My guess is that they are also ramping it during the whole lamp striking process.

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Michael Johnston
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Anyone know how to disable the touchscreen function on the Doremi servers? The mouse jumps and is driving me crazy.

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