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Mark J. Marshall
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Has anyone seen this at Lincoln Square? Just wondering if it's worth the trip.

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Carsten Kurz
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You mean, that movie in HFR in general, or at that specific location?

http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/f4/t002234.html

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Mark J. Marshall
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That location.

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Martin Brooks
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quote: Mark J. Marshall
Has anyone seen this at Lincoln Square? Just wondering if it's worth the trip.

I saw it today (Wednesday). Unfortunately, they moved it from the "Loew's" screen, which is a Dolby Atmos theater (although they never let you know that when they list their films) and their best auditorium to the "Kings", I think because there was a private screening in the "Loews" this evening. I don't know if they're going to move it back tomorrow. The Kings screen has standard 5.1 or 7.1 sound (I couldn't tell which) and it didn't seem to be of particularly great fidelity.

I think some people will think this presentation was absolutely incredible and some people will think it was absolutely the worst thing to ever happen to cinema.

I don't know whether it was the 3D, the screen brightness, the sharpness, the complete lack of any visual noise or the resulting hyper-realism, but I felt a lot of eyestrain.

The image was remarkable in terms of its brightness and sharpness, but it felt more like watching a stage play than watching a movie. It wasn't the soap-opera effect, it was quite different. Surprisingly, because the lenses had to be of spectacular quality, was the fact that the bokeh was terrible.

Is it worth experiencing once? Probably. The movie was decent - not great. I don't think it would have made all that much of an impression if it had been a standard 2D 35mm or regular digital presentation.

I think this process could work well for certain films (although I think I'd rather see it in 2D), although I couldn't tell you which ones. I don't think it would work well for sci-fi and fantasy films as the hyper realism would blow the suspense of disbelief and every costume or makeup flaw would be really obvious. But after seeing the cheerleaders in this film, it would work great for erotic films - it could bring them back to theatres if the equipment was affordable.

On a related note, their IMAX screen has been closed for a laser retrofit. It's supposedly reopening tomorrow night for "Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them". No idea as to whether they kept the IMAX 70mm projector in the booth.

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Daniel Schulz
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quote: Martin Brooks
I think this process could work well for certain films (although I think I'd rather see it in 2D), although I couldn't tell you which ones.
I am really skeptical about HFR for any kind of fiction, but I would be interested in seeing documentary filmmakers explore it. A Jacques Cousteau-style underwater 3D film would be really cool.

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Aron Toplitsky
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Just by chance I looked at the Arclight Hollywood website and saw that an Ang Lee movie with a weird title was playing in their dome theater at 120fps. I noticed it was only playing for a week, so I ran to see this on Monday for an 11:45am showing. According to what I read, this was being presented at the Arclight Dome in 4K, 3D, 120fps. Would have been great to catch one of the weekend showings where Lee was doing a Q&A.

I’ve seen all the Hobbit films in HFR and just had to compare, especially something being presented at 5 times the normal rate. The only way I can describe the experience was that I felt like I was watching a live high quality 3D documentary, especially the dialogue and war scenes. At times there were several people in a shot and some of the actors looked a little distorted. Some of the other scenes like the stadium pre half time ones, looked like I was almost watching real life but with limited vision through a window. Since my peripheral vision can still see the entire room, that just added to reality not being convincing enough. The stadium halftime scenes looked great, like I was watching a high res live concert, but like Martin said, there was a cheerleader scene that looked so amazing. I immediately thought of how an erotic film would work quite well in this format. And yes this was probably the best 3D I’ve ever seen and I usually avoid 3D.

I think this would work great for Sci-Fi films with a heavy amount of images or a concert, but even better would be a Virtual Reality head set where there is no outside distraction. Then we would be talking something truly amazing!

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Jonathan Goeldner
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even with the manager at Tysons Corner assuring me what I was watching in auditorium #12 was HFR (120fps) I know for a fact that it wasn't what I was seeing first hand
... there IS supposed to be a slightly sped up look to it like what was seen in 'The Hobbit' movies, right ??

Granted the Iraq war sequences, and, the stadium scenes are in bright light (natural and light sourced) yes, there's a inherent brightness to it, but in dark scenes or in the Lynn home there was a muddiness to the image.

All in all, on a technical level it failed to visually impress me. The sound design though certainly fooled me in thinking I was hearing a 7.1 mix - whatever the audio processor was doing, it was doing a great job channeling sound to create a faux 'behind' the listener sound field.

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Jonathan Goeldner
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so apparently the presentation I saw wasn't projected at 120fps due to some technical problems - ugh ... [Mad]

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Daniel Schulz
I am really skeptical about HFR for any kind of fiction, but I would be interested in seeing documentary filmmakers explore it. A Jacques Cousteau-style underwater 3D film would be really cool.
Agreed. A nature or space documentary might be cool. Probably rather have it in 2D though.

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