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Author Topic: DM8 Plus Software Download Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 02-07-2018 10:19 PM                        quote: Steve Guttag I'll continue the Off topic briefly...just what are the "benefits" to Win10, as it pertains to working on cinema equipment? - It boots up more quickly (on the laptop I use most frequently, probably around a 20 second time saving from power button to using an application program). - Much less bloaty than 7. I've seen a big speed/responsiveness improvement with 10 installed on older computers, especially with the "allow apps to run in the background" feature disabled. 10 runs comfortably on a machine with only 4GB of RAM; 7 really needs 8 to avoid pagefile use slowing things down noticeably. - On two computers that I've upgraded from 7 to 10, network (wired) transfer speeds seem to have improved significantly. - The Windows 7 habit of filling the C: drive up with tempfiles and general detritus seems to be gone with 10. I'm not having to run the disc cleanup wizard every week or so, or delete tens of gigabytes from C:/Windows/Temp all the time. - Many more drivers for commonly used peripherals (e.g. printers and scanners) are either built into 10, or downloaded and installed almost instantly when the device is connected. - In almost two years of using 10, I have not experienced a single BSOD. That probably happened to me two or three times a year with 7.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-08-2018 06:21 AM                     No lie Leo, I've just not had the problems with Win7 you have had. BSOD has happened to me maybe 3 times total on Win 7 and only recently (I suspect a Microsoft Update caused it). Going to an SSD drive will yield a better boot up time and if boot up time is your metric, go with a Mac, my Mac boot up is orders fo magnitudes faster than my PC. The bottom line is, I CONSTANTLY hear of and have to deal with Win10 problems that I don't have on Win7. Drivers that stop working, heck even persistent static routes stop working. Carsten thinks that one can disable the updates...you can't. Read up on it...people have tried most everything and it still seems to happen (short of staying off the internet). You can slow it down and put up road blocks but it will get around them. I've read of configurations, resource editing...you name it and Bill Gates gets around it. What the Eff is wrong with what Win7 provided? A simple, "let me decide what and when to update." You can let it do its thing, let it download but wait for my okay, let it search but don't download or simply do NOTHING. Perhaps I have a purpose built computer that runs ONE program and never needs updating. I come back to...IT IS MY COMPUTER, not Microsoft's.  |  IP: Logged Leslie Hartmier Expert Film Handler Posts: 100 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Registered: Jul 2012 posted 02-08-2018 01:56 PM                     Yes, I do not disagree with the comments in the main (derailing the topic as they might), but I have a number of things to contribute: 1) My home computer is one that I force updates BEFORE Windows attempts to do them, so that they are done on my schedule. 2) If you connect your device on only using WiFi, you can ignore 100% of all updates by simply opening your settings, going into Network & Internet, selecting your WiFi connection, and telling it that it is a metered connection, and it will never attempt Windows updates. Just make sure that if you choose to connect to a non-WiFi connection that has an internet connection that you will not disconnect, that you have forced the updates (god help you), or you have nothing to do for a long time, and have the time to check in on it to 'help it finish up'. 3) If you have a taste for adventure, do the following: a) Use the Windows key + R keyboard shortcut to open the Run command. b) Type regedit, and click OK to open the Registry. Browse the following path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows c) Right-click the Windows (folder) key, select New, and then click Key. d) Name the new key WindowsUpdate and press Enter. e) Right-click the newly created key, select new, and click Key. f) Name the new key AU and press Enter. g) Inside the newly created key, right-click on the right side, select New, and click on DWORD (32-bit) Value. h) Name the new key AUOptions and press Enter. i) Double-click the newly created key and change its value using one of the following options: - 2 - "Notify for download and notify for install." - 3 - "Auto download and notify for install." - 4 - "Auto download and schedule the install." - 5 - "Allow local admin to choose settings." j) Click OK. k) Close the Registry to complete the task. Best choice is 2 - Notify for download and notify for install. Even if you do none of these, make sure you set your Active Hours to a time when you are guaranteed not to be using your machine, like 3 am to 6 am, or whatever works for you. Major updates, such as the Fall Creators Update can be deferred up to 365 days from the release or 365 days from the release plus 4 months if you use 'Current Branch for Business' inside Settings\Update & Security\Advanced Options\ under "Choose when updates are installed" You can also set Ethernet to Metered as well, even in Windows 10 Home (which has limited abilities to defer or prevent updates), and it will prevent all updates as well. There are downsides to doing any of this (just like in Windows 7), but that is not the purpose of this post, and frankly, no one asked me in the first place, so you do you. Leslie  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 02-08-2018 03:52 PM                     the registry hack which has been suggested is just part of the group policy (search "edit group policy" and navigate to Computer Configuration - Administrative Templates - Windows Components - Windows Update - Configure automatic updates) . If you are on a PRO version, you an just navigate to the option and let windows warn about updates but not download or install them. All my computers have this option enabled. That being said, MS have just lost their mind with those updates.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-08-2018 03:54 PM                     There are NO hours of the day/night that I might not being doing service (often I'm working Midnight to Noon for PM calls). I've heard that even modifying the register isn't sure-fire nor declaring that everything is metered. Have YOU tested these?  |  IP: Logged Leslie Hartmier Expert Film Handler Posts: 100 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Registered: Jul 2012 posted 02-08-2018 04:01 PM                     I can confirm that they work. One of my tablets has never been updated due to the metering thing (Windows 10 Home - full disclosure, I don't do a lot with that tablet, due to not updating it, but it works fine for my controlling projectors, etc, and downloading firmware, warranty licenses, etc on the internet - I just don't go anywhere fishy with that gizmo), and my work computer has the registry hack, and has never updated itself on its own (Windows 10 Pro). All that said, if you are satisfied with Windows 7, why change? If something bugs you about W7, then that is the time for soul searching. Leslie  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-08-2018 05:21 PM                     EXACTLY! Thanks for the info on the Win10 non-update schemes. Everything I had looked up and via friends that have tried hacks have failed so I had given up hope.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 02-10-2018 12:46 PM                        I guess I just don't consider the involuntary update thing as much of problem as some do. Like Leslie, I tell it to update before starting to use the computer for something mission critical. The only time it was a significant problem was if I left some DCPs rendering overnight, only to come back in the morning and find that it had updated and rebooted itself halfway through. If it's a Premiere/CuteDCP render there's no way around that, other than to make sure that all the pending updates are done and cleared before starting a job; DCP-o-Matic renders I do in Ubuntu anyway, which doesn't do that. I am impressed at the extent to which W10 has given older hardware a new lease of life. It's definitely leaner and faster than 7. All my computers are dual boot (i.e. two separate OS partitions) Windows/Ubuntu. I only use Windows when I need to use software for which there isn't a Debian/Gnome Linux version and which won't work reliably under WINE, which basically means Adobe Creative Suite, some cinema applications (e.g. the Q-Sys applications and Barco Communicator, the Linux version for which is buggy and unreliable), Outlook, and some of the more advanced features of Microsoft Word that aren't replicated properly or at all in Libre Office. But when I do have to use Windows, 10 is, in my experience, a definite overall improvement from 7.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-10-2018 01:03 PM                     You are in the distinct minority there Leo. I'm not saying you shouldn't be happy with what works for you though. I can definitely tell when a customer has gone to Win10...things just become unreliable...which is to say now, things are more unreliable than before Win10. As for updates, I come back to IT IS MY COMPUTER! I DECIDE WHEN IT UPDATES. I shouldn't have to "get it out of the way" first. On my field laptop that DOES connect to the internet, I tend to update when I'm in the office (or at home) and let it have the night to do whatever but not so much as download anything in the field. When I'm in the field, the meter is running and ANY time/bandwidth that MS takes to do an update of any time is offensive and potentially expensive. Furthermore, it is just down right rude. At some point, I suppose I'll make the switch to Win10 or something past Win7 but that day has not arrived for me. I'm not as enamored with Linux Distros as others seem to be either. They all feel like hacks and clearly designed around people that are in on the various CLIs to get them going and other Linux insider info. Ubuntu has been many times less stable for me than Win7, let alone OSX. I've tried a few other distros and, like beer, they all suck for me. The LDXE (light-weight desktop environment) has its moments but it is a Windows wannabe. Linux seems fine for custom environments but it isn't ready for prime-time compared to Mac/Win and likely will never have the support of the big two. It feels very DOS like to me with all of the TSR conflicts that came with it. No thanks.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 02-10-2018 03:06 PM                     We have a ticket machine, and a presentation machine. These need to work when we are open. No way to have automatic updates enabled under these conditions. An automatic reboot during the preshow, or with a queue of people waiting to buy tickets? A recent WIN10 update screwed ATI drivers. No, thank you... - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 02-11-2018 05:33 AM                     While I understand why MS have switched to this behaviour - just yesterday I read a very interesting article on the matter that basically explains how MS had to introduce new features 3 years before they were actually shipped with the following version of their OS and if there was a delay, it would be 6 years before it could reach the customer! - they MUST give the user total control of how the machine updates. I am cool with a scenario where Windows forces the upgrades after months the user have skipped them but there MUST be an EASY way to just tell the PC what Steve just said: "I am working, do not bother me, do not do anything in the background, I need all the available resources". ALSO, Windows update CANNOT use 100% of the available bandwidth preventing you from browsing!! That's a joke!  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 02-11-2018 07:40 AM                     I guess they also want to prevent huge virus/ransomware waves like WannaCry and being held responsible, by enabling themselves to shell out fixes as quickly and unconditional as possible. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 02-11-2018 09:09 AM                     The regular updates, yes. The 6/12 months whole OS update should be because of what I mentioned. I kind of understand them, I can just imagine how many people just disabled the updates in W7 so they don’t have to spend time upgrading. But what they’ve done with W10 is way too much.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-11-2018 09:59 AM                     No, No NO!!!!! It is MY COMPUTER, there is no situation where THEY should be able to force an update...I don't give a damn if it is 8 years later with zero updates, they don't get to update MY computer. If I'm running a stable computer that say only has to run one 3rd party program and it hasn't changed, I DON'T need an update nor do I want one. I want stability. I come back to...IT IS MY COMPUTER. How simple a concept is that? If MS is worried about security breaches and being sued, put it in the TOS fo the software. If you disable regular updates, MS can't be held responsible for not providing said security fixes.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 02-11-2018 11:38 AM                     If it was only your computer, MS would probably not care. But as most machines are constantly on the internet, it is no longer just a personal issue. Maybe automatically disable all network connections when the system is behind on important updates. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged

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