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John Pytlak
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I wouldn't be surprised if "Windtalkers" was available, since they showed it using DLP at ShoWest. So the transfer, compression, and encoding is already done.

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Charles Everett
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My prediction was correct -- Reading Cinemas in Manville NJ goes to 1 print of Episode 2 on Friday (6/14). So will the Regal megaplex in North Brunswick NJ.

Ken: Windtalkers opens 6/14, Lilo & Stitch opens 6/21.


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Paul Linfesty
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The LA Times ad for WINDTALKERS shows the Chinese Theatre will be presenting WINDTALKERS in DLP on Friday.

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Jonathan M. Crist
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In Central Pennsylvania where there was an eight week minimum for SWEPII, they are now offering theatres the chance to "buy out" of their contracts. The buyout for each week you wish to drop is 90% of the previous week's gross multiplied by the payment percentage for that week. IN OTHER WORDS THEY GET YOU COMING....AND GOING!

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Brad Miller
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Maybe it's just me, but that seems pretty sleazy. If Lucas wants to suck more money out of foolish theater owners for signing such ridiculous contracts in the first place that's all fine and dandy, but that extra buyout money should NOT ever be included in the film's "grosses". No one paid for those tickets, but you can damn well bet that money will be added to give the illusion that the movie did more business than it really did.

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Aaron Haney
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Paul: the Mann's Chinese on Hollywood Blvd? I thought DLP couldn't withstand the heat of a lamp bright enough to light a screen that size.


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Mark Lucas
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It did just fine with AOTC.

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John Pytlak
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Mark Lucas said: "It did just fine with AOTC."

Mark: The picture of the Chinese screen that you posted on Film-Tech on May 26 shows that it was masked down considerably from its full size. Looking at your picture, I would estimate it was less than 20 x 48 feet. Do you have actual dimensions of the much smaller area that was being used for the Digital Projection of ATOC?

Here's your photo


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Mark Lucas
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It's masked down because it appears to be a common width screen. It was installed just last year. The screen is still 70' across.


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John Pytlak
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Paul Linfesty said: "The LA Times ad for WINDTALKERS shows the Chinese Theatre will be presenting WINDTALKERS in DLP on Friday."

How was the Chinese allowed to drop ATOC after only four weeks?

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John Pytlak
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Mark Lucas said: "It's masked down because it appears to be a common width screen. It was installed just last year. The screen is still 70' across."

Are you saying that they pulled the masking out to the full 70-foot width like they do for film? The side masking in your first photo certainly looks to be set much less than 70 feet. Somehow that masked area seems small for a theatre the size of the Chinese.

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Paul Linfesty
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When i saw HARRY POTTER at the Chinese, I went up front and looked. I saw side tracking that their masking was mounted on, so I assume its now a common heighth screen (even for Harry Potter, there was a large distance from the ceiling, but the Chinese has always been that way since I first started goin (since 1977 for the original STAR WARS - in 70mm!)

The old screen ALWAYS seemed small to me in relation to the curtain openings. I've heard that when they switched from carbon arc to xenon, they did shrink the screen down. Until they installed their larger screen last year (which, for all I know, may be the old carbon-arc size, i've seen movies projected in ALL kinds of ratios, with both height and width adjustments. 1.33 in TWO sizes, one as tall as the Cinemascope image, another MUCH larger (One from the Heart, Casablanca re-issue), 35mm flat (taller than scope, 1.66 ratio (Robocop, Interview With the Vampire,that Kevin Costner Robin Hood thingy). The 1.85 previews that were hardmatted would of course show the mattes both top and bottom. the ONLY 1.85 ratio films that I've seen projected in 1.85 were the flat blow-ups to 70mm. Since they installed the new screen, i dont know if they still have all these different ratios or not.

The 1977 STAR WARS engagement only lasted 4 weeks, replaced with SORCERER. The film returned in August of that year, but only as a four-wall, which lasted until Heaven Can Wait. (FOX payed Mann $13,500 a week to play the film for the return. At the time, Mann considered FIRST-RUN to be exclusive (except they WOULD allow day-and-date with Westwood), so this was the way around this). At the time, Mann claimed a $10,000 a week nut, so there was a built-in profit of 3,500.

STAR WARS Episode 1 ALSO played 4 weeks only at the Chinese, before moving to the Galaxy. Mann was rejecting the long terms outright, so another limited arrangement was made (I think this was also four-walled). it would have been embarrassing to FOX not to have the film play here, since much publicity was made of the early lines forming.


So I would assume there had been some advanced agreement this time around as well.



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Charles Everett
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Putting it back on topic: The UA East Hampton drops Episode 2 on 6/14 to pick up The Bourne Identity. Four weeks and out! That leaves only 1 print running in the Hamptons (the UA Hampton Bays).


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Paul Linfesty
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Here's a link to a pre-DLP Star Wars of the Chinese Screen (pre-last year's remodel). It actually looks about the same.
http://www.silverscreens.com/main.html

Go to LA theatres and scroll down.

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John Pytlak
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I took some photos of the new screen at the Hollywood Mann Chinese theatre during the ITEA Seminar in Los Angeles on January 13, 2002.

One of my photos has about the same vantage point as Mark Lucas' photo. Comparing the photos, the screen in Mark's photo appears to have the masking pulled in, significantly reducing the image size.


So --- since the full screen wasn't being used, what was the ACTUAL image size being used for the DLP-Cinema presentation of ATOC on the Mann Chinese screen?

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