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Peter Kerchinsky
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Paul
Are you referring to the Roseway in Portland?
I believe there is a Rose Theatre in some small town across the water from Seattle.
The Roseway is still running. Why I'm not sure because it was pretty run down a few years ago.

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Charles Everett
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Two theaters in Princeton NJ drop Episode 2 on Friday (6/21).

The Princeton Garden Theatre on Nassau Street picks up 13 Conversations About One Thing. The UA Marketfair on Route 1 bumps the latest Lucasfilm epic to accommodate product flow. Both theaters ran Episode 2 for 5 weeks and out!

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Manny Knowles
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Episode II died a quiet and unattended death here. I haven't looked at a calendar, but it certainly feels like we got out of our contract early.

I know that we were allowed to move it down to a smaller, analog (audio) house from the second or third week. We were even allowed to drop it down to matinee only.

I think we dropped it completely last week and, somehow, that feels like an entire month ahead of schedule.

If Lucas insists on going all-Digital with Episode III then I doubt we're going to show it...unless we adopt DLP for some other reason before EP III is released.

Basically, there's just no way I can see us signing any special agreements with Lucas ever again. In fact, none of us should. He may have earned that kind of clout back in the 80's but that was 20 years ago and he's only producing unpopular garbage these days.

~Manny.
A very disappointed Star Wars (and Lucas) fan.


P.S. Mann's Chinese on H'wd Blvd has VERY flexible masking. It is not fixed width. I have seen flat, scope and 70mm projected there and those black masking curtains open wide and tall, almost all the way out to the red ones.


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John Pytlak
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Manny Knowles said:
"P.S. Mann's Chinese on H'wd Blvd has VERY flexible masking. It is not fixed width. I have seen flat, scope and 70mm projected there and those black masking curtains open wide and tall, almost all the way out to the red ones."

I know that, and that's why I questioned Mark Lucas's claim that the DLP projected image filled a 70-foot screen. Looking at Mark's picture of the masked-down screen, I would estimate that the digital image size was only about 48 x 20 feet, more in line with what I would expect from the current DLP-Cinema technology. Mark promised an actual measurement of the DLP image size at the Chinese, but he hasn't posted it.

Mark said in his review: "From where my seat was(just to the right of the exact middle) I couldn't see any artifacts or pixels. Only when I got up and moved closer to have a look did the picture reveal it's digital nature." So if the DLP image size was indeed only about 48 x 20 feet, this would mean that Mark was likely sitting more than 3 screen heights from the screen --- in my experience, the poor resolution and pixel visibility become issues closer than about 2 screen heights.

Does anyone have the ACTUAL details of the DLP-Cinema setup at the Chinese? Will any Film-Tech "lurkers" who work at the Chinese or for Technicolor Digital Cinema or Lucasfilm or THX Ltd. please chime in?

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Donna Sylvester
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If StarWars is so dead, why won't 20th Century give it up to us little guys???????? I called yesterday inquiring about the 4th of July weekend and was told no, it would probably be a couple more months before it would be available to us low grossers!

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Tom Fermanian
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Because Georgie is sticking to his gun's not giving smaller theatres better terms or playtime on moveovers for"his" masterpiece,Even tough some guys here (that regretfully took the picture on release seem to have to PAY to buy up the rest of their playing time from Fox.Lucas is more contented by keeping prints on the shelves (where they don't generate one red cent) than bringing their conditions & demands down!

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Brad Miller
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We started with 4 prints and it's been hogging our 80 foot giant screen since day one. Tonight though we lose the 2nd print, leaving us with only the one...and it is headed straight for our smallest theater where it will play out the remainder of it's days.

That didn't take long.


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Charles Everett
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After tonight Episode 2 is nowhere to be found in the Hamptons.

The UA Hampton Bays drops Episode 2 tomorrow to pick up Mr. Deeds. Six weeks for Episode 2 and out! Hampton Bays also drops Juwanna Mann after only one week.

OTOH the UA Southampton gets The Dangerous Lives of Altar Boys tomorrow and the UA East Hampton says goodbye to Spider-Man after a winning 8-week run.


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Peter Kerchinsky
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Word is that Paul Allen's/AMC's Seattle Cinerama theatre is playing it through August. We guess the theatre is a tourist thing and they'll probably do OK during the summer months. After all the Seattle Imaxdome has been playing the ERRUPTION OF MT. ST. HELENS for some 20years now for those tourists. Also rumors abound the Cinerama will be playing a "new" print of HOw THE WEST WAS WON in the 3 panel process sometime around their 50th anniversary. Not sure when that is.
They ran John Harvey's print a couple of years ago to a packed house during the film festival.

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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I'm curious. For those of you who have dropped Episode II, how did you get out of the contract?

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Mike Blakesley
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The long wait for Star Wars in the low grossers is just as much to do with Fox itself as it is George Lucas (if not more). Fox has their wacky low-gross policy on every film. My booker told me there are prints of SW-EPII sitting idle on the floor at the depot right now, but we can't book it yet because Fox "thinks" we are a low grossing theatre....EVEN THOUGH WE GROSS MORE than their "low gross" threshold amount.

Buncha boneheads.

I don't care though.....plenty of other great product out there right now. The other studios are more than happy to take our money even if Fox isn't.

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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I'm curious. For those of you who have dropped Episode II, how did you get out of the contract?

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Richard Fowler
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Star Wars is rolling out to Latin America at the moment....after Spiderman they do not expect much "legs" to this picture. The last installment, we where doing EX installs ahead of openings in different markets due to strong USA sales but in comparison this is
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Thomas Procyk
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If it's true that Fox won't release EP2 to the "low grossers" until sometime in August, IMHO the theaters should refuse the print alltogether when the time comes around. Most everyone who has seen it probably won't care to see it again, and those who haven't seen it yet probably won't want to or are more likely to wait for the DVD. (To see it in "Digital" like Lucas intended ) That would show them! "Okay. You can have Episode 2 now..." --- "No thanks. We already have 2 screens for Spiderman."

Film-Tech is the first place I heard about Fox's stupid "Low Grossing" list. If they want to play games like this, they should at least release trailers with the correct dates for "low grossing" theaters. Oh wait... if they're low grossing then what's the point?

=TMP=

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Mike Spaeth
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John -

My understanding is that you take your final week's gross and multiply it out over twelve weeks to figure out the "penalty." For example, if you final it after week 6, with a $1,000 gross, you pay film rental on $900 for week 7, $810 for week 8, $729 for week 9, $656 for week 10, $590 for week 11, and $531 for week 12. Take all of those aggregate amounts, and plug them into the percentages on your contract for weeks 7-12, and there is your penalty fee.

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