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Bill Gabel
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Before the days of 3000 prints on opening day. The ROADSHOW picture
would be in the big cities. And would play only in that theatre in that market, sometimes for as long as 2 years. Yes, a single screen house. If the film did well the studio would keep it in Roadshow engagements. Before opening it at general admission or popular prices. That's why on some movie posters you see the type: Direct from it's Road Show engagement, Now at Popular Prices. Some times
the studio would cut the print for General Release. In Los Angeles the operators at Roadshow houses got the rate of $50.00 a show (3 hour movie + prep), the operators at the regular houses were getting maybe around $28.00 for 6 hours + prep). During that time operators
could not work double shifts. That is rates for the early 70's in Los Angeles. At Roadshow houses you had 2 shows a day and maybe 3 on the weekends. The Roadshow houses had the better booths. You had 3 to 4 projectors in a single screen booth. The most popular projector in Roadshow houses was the Norelco DP70 / AAII.


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Frank Angel
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What the distribution end of the industry is missing, and this mainly because corporate American is not interested in taking wisdom from the past; the system of extending the life of a title through a tiered, hierarchical release pattern is of no interest to corporate executives who want to make more money than God in the first weekend of a release and then break it out to ancillary markets as soon as possible. The rationale for this is because they can make as much, maybe even more in those non-theatrical markets than they can in theatres.

What they don't seem to grasp is that the ONLY reason the public purchases pay-per-view, video rentals, DVDs, VHS tape is because the THEATRICAL play generated excitement in the public. If a film is rejected by the public at the Box Office, then forget about it making millions in the video market. There are no lines at Blockbusters to rent a box office flop.

What the young turks at in Hollywood don't seem to understand is that there was a reason the bigger films started off as Roadshow releases, playing, as Bill pointed out, for upwards of two years in the roadshow theatres. As well as the obvious economic advantage of being able to charge higher ticket prices, it built up anticipation on the part of the public to see the film. I remember a marketing logo that one of the companies, can;t remember which, used on the bottom of all their ads: "MOVIES....everyone should have one to look forward to." It was a very effective marketing system.

After the roadshow run was over, it went to the first run "flagship" theatres in Key Cities (the roadshow houses still playing it in most cases). The engagements in first run houses would vary, but it was not uncommon to see a big release still playing in the first run theatres for months. After that it went into general release playing the neighborhood theatres, and even there, there was a tier of the "first" of the general run theatres and then the sub-run or underbelly as they were sometimes called, which got a title perhaps a few weeks to a few months after the general release, but after the distribs ad campaign was over. Sometimes titles could be booked into the older subrun or rep houses years afterward, until that is, the distrib decided to "pull it from service." Then no one could book it. Is it because the distrib didn't want to make any more money on? No....because they wanted to withdraw it from the public so it could be re-released again, starting the whole cycle over again. I believe GONE WITH THE WIND was released every 7 years, always to great effect, until that is, it succumbed to video overexposure.

There really is no reason why the industry cannot look at that model of an extended pattern of release times and recognize how much excitement it could engender in the paying public, even today. It would naturally have to be adjusted for today's market, but extending release play times may actually increase, not lessen, the public's desire to see a title in the theatre and even later on video.

Of course you have to have enough theatres that the public perceive as "roadshow quality" and then enough that are "flagship quality" in order to generate this kind of excitement. And you have to get rid of the corporate mindset that says, unless a film makes a trillion dollars on the first weekend, it's a failure.

Hmmm, I guess that dooms it from the giddyap, eh?

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Bill Gabel
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The only company that still does re-releases is Disney with the
classics. Every 7 years or so each of the classics gets a new
round at the theatres or a few months before it's video release.
Then Disney does the same thing with the video release. "Now for a
limited time you can own this classic Disney movie." Now with IMAX,
Disney has a new toy to play with in re-releasing the classics
and making the movies an Event again.


The tag line for the Cinerama Dome was
"Where Movie Going is an Event"



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Mitchell Cope
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Frank said,
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What the young turks at in Hollywood don't seem to understand is that there was a reason the bigger films started off as Roadshow releases, playing, as Bill pointed out, for upwards of two years in the roadshow theatres.

It's a different day and age now. Could "Stars Wars Episode II", "Spider-man", or "Titanic" have made more money if released through a long roadshow cycle? I don't think so. A lot more money is spent today on marketing pictures just for that big opening weekend to create an event. No studio is willing to risk its investment, no matter how good they think their product may be, on just "word-of-mouth" and reserved seats. No studio is wanting a slow revenue stream, either, to pay off their huge investment. In "the old days", they may not have had the choice.

Unfortunately, the film musical genre is also dead, save "Moulin Rouge!".

And where would you put a roadshow picture today? The local IMAX is the closest thing we have to a true roadshow theatrical environment. Without curtains and warmers, no less! A roadshow presentation has to be vastly superior to the ordinary movie fare. That is pretty hard to do today with large screens, stadium seating, and the typical digital surround sound systems. The world is moving a lot faster today than it use to. Thankfully now, we have DVD to revive our past roadshow experiences, if but in a limited, small scale way.

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Frank Angel
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You're right, Mitchell -- you need theatres that the public perceive as "roadshow quality" houses for this to work. They are way too few and far between, even for quality "flagship" theatre -- exhibition has moved away from theatres that have individual character and style to the utilitarian, cookie-cutter design -- the more the look alike, the better. Hence I sadly admitted that the whole idea of tiered release patterns is doomed.

Disney seems to be the one studio that see the value of its cinematic history. As for the rest of the conglomerates, there is not enough continuity in the heads of the companies any more for them to see value in anything that isn't going to rake in money for them in the short term.

Re: Disney's marketing ploy of saying that a particular title will be in video stores only for a short time, "then it's gone for good," I always wondered what would happen if a video store purchased thousands of DVDs or VHS tapes of a Disney release that the company claimed "once this is gone, it is gone." Then when everyone else has sold all their copies, this guy goes into the back room and pulls out a box of DVDs that he's been saving and puts up a big sign in his store front proclaiming, "You might not be able to find Disney's (insert any animated feature title) anywhere else, but we've got it here at Joe Shmoe's Video Outlet" First purchase ownership applies here, not copyright laws -- and by law he, has the right to sell them anytime he wants to anyone he wants, right? I wonder how the Disney people would react when they don't get their way and see a guy bucking their marketing strategy. If they couldn't stop him legally, you know for sure they won't ever sell DVDs to him again, although that probably would be a restraint of trade issue. Personally,I think they would just hire hit men and have him shot.

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John Pytlak
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Video stores that violate the release "window" specified by distributors can jeopardize their business relationship and may be penalized. Some stores in Rochester started selling "Harry Potter" too early:
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/news/0529story3_news.shtml

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Bill Gabel
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At some stores here in Manhattan, you can get the Big releases as far as three weeks early. One store just got the September 3rd releases from one studio. These are not the bootleg discs from the street.

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Paul Linfesty
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Disney may do a good job preserving their film heritage and even revisiting some of their classics in movie theatres, but they have sure botched an opportunity in L.A. The El Capitan, a very special venue in LA (complete with THREE opening curtains) started a two week (plus a third weekend) of shows for Sleeping Beauty (in 70mm 6-track mag, no less), but on the opening day, there is NO display ads whatsoever, not even a stack ad in the Pacific directory, just the normal directory listing. No mention of a 70mm print or even stereo. Just an added notation for a live appearance by Sleeping Beauty and the showtimes. This film had a bigger ad when it showed once at a Saturday morning matinee at the same theatre earlier this year. I would think the fact that seeing a film in 70mm these days is so rare that SOME advertising would be done for it. (well, L.A. is getting 6 70mm films through the end of September, a major feast, but then it's back to famine). If the studios can't be bothered to build the excitement of 70mm through advertising, can one blame the public for being underwhelmed?

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Frank Angel
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Yup. It is a mystery the way the industry does some things defies logic. Used to be that the special qualities of a film were heralded from the rooftops. Anyone old enough to remember how the first CinemaScope releases were marketed, the film process name was in bigger point size than the film title!! There uses to be this great 70mm logo -- a very wide rectangle with the words 70mm and lines extending from the center. It was put in the display ads and you immediately recognized which theatres had the 70mm prints.

Frank

And I can't feel too sorry for you out there in LA -- at least you have an occasional 70mm festival -- out here on the east coast it is CONSTANT famine.

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David Stambaugh
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Frank said:
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There uses to be this great 70mm logo -- a very wide rectangle with the words 70mm and lines extending from the center. It was put in the display ads and you immediately recognized which theatres had the 70mm prints.

Like one of these? NOTE CREDIT AT BOTTOM OF THIS POST

Then there's the one that's never appeared in print but would be a sight to behold if it ever did:


During the "golden age" of 70mm blowups, the first place I would always go in Friday's LA Times was the movie listings. I always looked forward to seeing a new movie display ad with an enclosed box at the top listing the theaters showing the movie in 70mm and having one of these logos (usually the first one).

NOTE: These low-res images were re-sized (reduced) from hi-res files originally created by Bobby Henderson. Lines in the top image are actually supposed to be solid. The quality of Bobby's original artwork is much better than you see here.



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Frank Angel
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Now THAT'S what I'm talkin about! Simply beautiful.

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Michael Coate
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quote:
I heard that CABARET was mixed in Dolby A stereo but somehow the encoding wasn't calibrated correctly and they just went with mono optical tracks.

Cabaret in Dolby? Didn't this production predate Dolby Stereo? Mixing in Dolby but releasing in optical mono sounds more like what happened with Excalibur.

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Gordon McLeod
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There were several films released in Dolby A encoded optical Mono (format 02)

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Bill Gabel
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The film "Year of Living Dangerously" from MGM had Dolby Mono prints.

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Paul Linfesty
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Mike, As I answered in an earlier post in this thread, Cabaret was a mag/optic release that pre-dated Dolby SVA prints. And Siddartha was a mono optic Dolby A encoded release, as well as Rocky Horror Pictuere Show. I'm sure there were others.

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