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Eric Hooper
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Shrek 2 (Sun. Estimates)

$104,300,000 (Fri - Sun)

$125,300,000 (Wed - sun)

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Kamakshipalya Dhananjay
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Looks like Shrek 2's records are sort of one off. Even Dreamworks execs have admitted to being baffled by what they just saw. In any case, I personally feel that these figures seem to be rather fortitudinal though they are real money.
The audience act in unfathomable ways at times or part of the time. We just saw it.

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Tim Lockridge
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Daryl S said, "I look for Shrek 2 to possably break some records this next week."

Mike B said, "Doesn't sound too disappointing. IME predicts $300 million plus."

Ian P said, "But I'm betting the Shrek 2 will work in the box office."

Brad A said, "In this part of the world, Shrek 2 & Harry P will rule."

Baffled indeed. No one saw this coming. [Roll Eyes]

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Mike Blakesley
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Shrek 2's success isn't surprising in the least.

- Everyone who saw the first one loved it (except Brad, who merely liked it), and it got rave reviews.

- People who didn't see SHREK 1 in the theatre, bought the video for their kids and wound up loving the movie on video, further priming the pump.

- The sequel got good reviews, including many saying it is better than the first film, cementing the want-to-see.

Furthermore, the movie has been getting great word of mouth and, as we all know, has a scene buried in the end credits that delivers one of the biggest laughs of the movie. Once all the "early departure" people hear from their friends about that scene, many of them will want to see the movie again. I look for a small drop next weekend.

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Richard Greco
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Looks like you are wrong again KD. Anymore "disappointments" you wish to estimate on? [Roll Eyes]

Here is the story
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'Shrek 2' Lands Far, Far Ahead of Summer Pack
by Brandon Gray
May 24, 2004



HOLLYWOOD (Box Office Mojo) – A fractured fairy tale broke records as it mended a heretofore soft summer.

The widest release ever yielded the biggest single day gross ever, the highest bow ever for an animated movie (topping Finding Nemo's $70.3 million), the second best weekend ever (behind only Spider-Man's $114.8 million) and the first uber-opening of the summer.

The $70 million Shrek 2 raked in a whopping $108.0 million over the weekend at 4,163 theaters, bringing its five-day haul to $129.0 million since debuting Wednesday -- the third biggest 5-day bow ever. It beat DreamWorks' $104.3 million estimate by $3.7 million, thanks to a stronger than expected Sunday.

"This was well beyond any expectations," DreamWorks head of distribution Jim Tharp told Box Office Mojo, though he added that public awareness of the picture was already up 92% four weeks prior to the release. "Opening on a Wednesday, word-of-mouth was that this was not a cheater, and a great follow-up to first movie," he noted.

DreamWorks' exit polling indicated that 60% of moviegoers were families -- the first Shrek, like most animated movies, was 80% family out-of-the-gate and then fell to 60% in later weeks -- suggesting a broadening of the audience since the original. Among families, 60% were mothers and 40% were dads, while 55% were girls and 45% were boys. Among non-families, it was a 50/50 split between males and females and those over and under the age of 25. Moviegoers loved the picture overall as 81% rated it "excellent" and 11% "very good." Over 70% said they would see the movie again.

Breaking the weekend down, Shrek 2 devoured $28.3 million on Friday. It then jumped 58% on Saturday to an astonishing $44.8 million, topping Spider-Man's $43.6 million Saturday as the largest single day gross of all time. In other words, its Saturday alone topped the first Shrek's entire $42.3 million opening weekend. On Sunday morning, DreamWorks projected Shrek 2 to fall 31% to $31.1 million on Sunday, but that turned out to be conservative as it ended up easing just 22% to $34.9 million -- more in line with the first Shrek and Finding Nemo which fell 24% and 21% respectively for their Sunday drops.

Prior to the weekend, Shrek 2 was already a record-breaker when DreamWorks announced it broke the 4,000-theater milestone with its 4,163 count, topping Spider-Man's 3,876 fourth weekend count as the widest release ever. Shrek 2 was simply following in the footsteps of its predecessor, which reached a then record 3,715 in its fourth weekend. To put its theater count into further perspective, according to the National Organization of Theaters Owners, there are 5,659 indoor theaters in the country (and 35,139 screens). DreamWorks will not disclose how many screens the movie is playing on.

"It's a well known movie and we needed to get out in from of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban," Tharp explained the bold release pattern.

Shrek 2 is now well-positioned to become the #1 movie of the summer, just as its predecessor reigned over summer 2001 with its $267.7 million haul. For the past five years straight, the title-holder was spawned in May -- The Phantom Menace in 1999, Mission Impossible 2 in 2000, Shrek in 2001, Spider-Man in 2002 and Finding Nemo last year. Going into the season, common wisdom had Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban and Spider-Man 2 as the movies to beat for the crown, but 'Shrek 2' is on a $330 million plus trajectory – the rosy end of Harry and Spidey prognostications.

When Shrek 2 garnered $11.8 million on Wednesday, DreamWorks was heralding the dubious milestone of "biggest mid-week opening for an animated movie," topping Pokemon: The First Movie's $10.1 million. Turns out, only two days later, they would find such groping for records would be unnecessary.

Though Shrek 2 was huge on Wednesday and Thursday, grossing $20.9


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Pravin Ratnam
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I think KD can find a job on Bush's speechwriting staff. "Oh due to unforseen circumstances, things in Iraq are not going as planned. Rumsfeld is the BEST EVER Sec. of Defense. Shrek2. Who knew?"

EDITED: MAYBE THIS THREAD AND OTHER SIMILAR KD THREADS SHOULD GO TO FILM-YAK

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Mike Spaeth
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Now now, that's political talk ....

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Kamakshipalya Dhananjay
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Wait on ! I was wrong on Shrek 2 no doubt. But Shrek 2 is not what some here are making it out to be - you only need to wait and see what happens of it next week and the week after that.

Never did like the first one and I concur with that critic who said shrek 2 must be quite a feat for being just like the first film - the first one was garbage and so too is the second.

I am not saying that Shrek 2's performance is quite a fluke. Neither am I saying that anybody involved in the making of this film expects to be genuinely fulfilled by its performance at the Box office.

Shrek 2 will drop steadily and I am not going to be less wrong on it if it drops down dead today. Agreed. Still, I strongly feel it will not hold.

Shrek 2 could neither be wholesome nor is there any dignity in it. It may earn money like it has but it definitely wont earn any reputation for its studio. Dreamworks is nowhere close to Disney and it has a very long way to go before people come to expect what they do for Disney's fare - wholesome entertainment, dignity of characters and above all, fewer cheap thrills and gimmicks and importantly, an eye away from your wallet.

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Jeremy Fuentes
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quote: Kamakshipalya Dhananjay
Shrek 2 could neither be wholesome nor is there any dignity in it. It may earn money like it has but it definitely wont earn any reputation for its studio.
I thought that was what this thread was about, how much money a movie was going to make. Not whether or not the movie is wholesome or has dignity, or if it will earn a reputation for the studio. [Roll Eyes]

Edit: I realized I said that I wasnt going to argue/discuss movie grosses with you anymore, but you just cant seem to totally admit to being wrong. You say that you are wrong, but then you say the movie will still drop in business. Of course it will. Unless the population somehow doubles or triples in the next week, then obviously sales will drop. Everyone has already seen it.

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Richard Greco
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GOD!!!!

Enough KD.

I really am glad you aren't working at my theatre. You would get run out of there. I really hope I never meet you. Never have I heard such STUPID comments in my life. Get over yourself. It's beginning to get laughable. You are a JOKE.

You aren't playing fair on your comments. Just like Jeremy said, you change the rules to suit you. You are a very conniving person and I feel sorry for those that know you in person. It annoys me to no end when people get so stuck on one idea that they can't admit they were wrong.

YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A lot of people on this site tried being nice to you with no avail. You are making enemies here, not friends.

OMG GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rant off......

Sorry the rest of you had to see that.

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Kamakshipalya Dhananjay
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Oh ! Well, I think these forums provide a wonderful opportunity to exert or express oneself and I cant wait to tell some here that they are doing fine !

I also dont quite understand what this "admit" thing means ? Is it some ritual or a ceremony some here expect ? I would think anyone who expects to be told that "I am wrong" quite separately from what has already been said must be reading things that dont appear in this thread or altogether missing whats plainly visible. Please read what has been said and if you think you are not convinced yet whether I have delivered all of what you wanted, I might have to tell you, please relinquish that wish. It will not be fulfilled.

Actually, I cannot help but "admit" many lines laden above seem very spurious.

OK, waiting for the TDAT's numbers now. Any leads ?

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Kamakshipalya Dhananjay
Dreamworks is nowhere close to Disney and it has a very long way to go before people come to expect what they do for Disney's fare - wholesome entertainment, dignity of characters and above all, fewer cheap thrills and gimmicks and importantly, an eye away from your wallet.
An 'eye away from your wallet?' Which Disney are you referring to, anyway? Certainly not the one on this planet. Even the Pixar/Disney productions suffer quite a bit from a lack of dignity...fart jokes, and sugestive/bathroom humor.

Not giving Dreamworks a free pass here....their stories could use improving. But if anything their films have raised the bar and made Disney try to work a little harder, along with giving us all more hit films to play. Nothing wrong with that.

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Kamakshipalya Dhananjay
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Anyway, I hate somewhat, after all the war-mongering here, to admit that the most basic premise of my prediction - that of the Summer Boxoffice remaining near 2003 levels - is almost cracking. With this, I cannot sustain my predictions. I will not. I could not imagine that the Memorial Day Weekend could throw up two films near the 100 million mark. I was wrong. With Shrek-2 and TDAT. At this rate, I am not sure what to give Harry Potter-3.

If Troy makes 150 million, I would be right on my "choice of 5 films". That Van Helsing looks unlikely to cross 120 million, my prediction that it will specifically fall short of 100 million ....

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Richard Greco
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According to boxofficemojo.com, Van Helsing is currently at 105 million US grosses, 120 million overseas.

Shrek, 185.5 million so far

TDAT, It is doing well, but I agree with you KD. It will not do THAT well.

I'm not going to yell at you anymore. You are too stubborn to listen to anyone here in the states. It is a wastee of my time to argue with you. You win...

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David Stambaugh
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Shrek 2 is the *only* summer "blockbuster" so far that's getting favorable word-of-mouth. Everything else is rubbish. Van Helsing has already been dropped at one of the two local first-run theaters. I peeked in Troy tonight (1 of 2 auditoriums) and it was nearly empty. Maybe the falloff for Shrek won't be that bad if all the other movies are getting trashed.

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