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Author Topic: The Psychology of Showing DVD/BluRay Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 10-28-2010 07:42 PM                     quote: Martin McCaffery This is not a plea for appealing to the lowest common denominator That's where we disagree.  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-28-2010 08:02 PM                        So you ARE pleading that we appeal to the lowest common denominator?  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 10-28-2010 08:05 PM                     I meant it seemed you had lost your way and were defending showing consumer DVD's on the grounds that "film done wrong" was the norm, so what's wrong with taking one more step down the slippery slope?  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-29-2010 08:45 AM                        I don't think anyone in this thread is defending consumer DVD's over film done right. We have all said, implicitly or explicitly, we prefer a pristine 35mm print. What's been discussed is the variety of trade-offs which are forced upon us by the motion picture industry, which is not the least bit interested (after the gala premiere) in film done right. Ultimately, we are in the business of pleasing an audience. If done 100% right is not an option, then we can choose not to do it at all, or make the best compromise we can. If the compromise is too great, we lose the audience anyway. If the audience is entertained, maybe they will be back to see what we can do when we are allowed to do it right. I've never advocated for full time DVD, but the motion picture industry is certainly pushing that way for any theatre doing classics or rep. We all lose then.  |  IP: Logged Todd McCracken Master Film Handler Posts: 263 From: Northridge, CA, USA Registered: Mar 2008 posted 10-29-2010 06:03 PM                    Shucks, if you have a DCI spec projector just book the DCI print. Its available. I have one sitting next to me right now. (Psycho) Most of the Universal titles are/will be available rather soon. Unfortunately the other studios seem a bit slow on mastering their catalog to DCI. But on the question on DVD/Bluray. Bluray does not look bad, but I'm not a fan of DVD on the big screen. It just seems too soft for my taste.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-29-2010 06:27 PM                     I've done several tests with DVD's on the NEC. Some look better than others (Raiders looks VERY good - can't wait to see what the BR looks like) but not sure I'd play a DVD to a paying audience. On the other hand, I would project a scaled BR in a heartbeat over a beat up crappy old 35mm print.  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-29-2010 07:43 PM                        quote: Todd McCracken Shucks, if you have a DCI spec projector just book the DCI print. We're a 35mm house.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 10-30-2010 09:51 PM                        Right. So the alternatives are: 1. new 35mm print; not going to happen. 2. new dci digital transfer; costs even more than 35mm (for small releases) not going to happen. 3. don't play it at all. 4. crappy old 35mm print. 5. blue ray/dvd. Sounds like a recipe to close the theatre unless studios change their tune. Louis  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 10-31-2010 01:18 AM                     I know a great 35mm print of PSYCHO exists coz I've played it within the last 3 years.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 10-31-2010 02:29 AM                        Correction, you knew one existed 3 years ago. That doesn't mean it is still great, coz people just don't seem to be competent enough to handle film well any more.  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-31-2010 11:52 AM                        Yes, 35mm prints of Psycho exists, and I think they struck some new ones for the 50th anniversary. Availability is the problem we had, as stated earlier. As long as most of the distribs encourage the smaller, less profitable, venues like ours to show DVD/BluRay then it has to be considered a semi-professional level format, like it or not. On the other hand, you have to love the irony/hypocrisy of an industry that has invested millions forcing DCI on the exhibitors, and are perfectly fine with their product being shown from DVD once it is past the first run.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-31-2010 12:20 PM                     DCI is all about anti-piracy.  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-31-2010 04:47 PM                        Well, there's reality, and then there is what they say publicly From the DCI Homepage: quote: DCI's primary purpose is to establish and document voluntary specifications for an open architecture for digital cinema that ensures a uniform and high level of technical performance, reliability and quality control.  |  IP: Logged Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 10-31-2010 05:24 PM                     quote: Brad Miller DCI is all about anti-piracy. .. which the studios render useless and obsolete as long as they continue to seed the piracy market with screeners and unencrypted eCinema hard drives. Bloody ridiculous.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-31-2010 06:06 PM                     As for print availability...that seems to be a matter of location. I've seen new or nearly new prints at the AFI/Silver of many different titles. It wasn't Psycho but another title folks are discussing on the threads has passed through their in like-new condition. I don't know what it takes to get on the approved list for rare titles but that seems to be key. I'm sure 2-projector changeover is a minimum spec. as that has come up with my other clients that are having us put in 2-projector systems in the next year or two to open up the "classic" market. Also, the notion of not striking 70mm prints is a false one...those too seem to get restruck from time-to-time as well. Believe it or not, unless a DTS 70mm negative exists...they still do magnetic tracks for small print runs as that is cheaper than coming up with a new interneg with a DTS track on it. So anyone wanting to run 70mm really needs to have both Mag and DTS capability as what you will get is normally not a choice. One thing is for sure...you will likely NOT wear out your mag heads anymore as you will not be able to run enough mag tracks to do it....which is good since Teccon is no-more. Steve  |  IP: Logged

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