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John Wilson
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quote: Martin McCaffery
Just like Stripes in a couple of weeks.
Is that to be film or video?

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Martin McCaffery
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DVD. No prints exist, according to the distributor.

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Scott Jentsch
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I think the title of this thread is quite apt. With catalog releases, it really is all about the psychology of the experience. If people never wanted to see a movie in a theater that is available on DVD, then we'd never see theaters run film series, such as holiday classics, Hitchcock film festivals, and the like.

If done right, I think that a theatrical showing of any movie of interest can be successful.

Going to a movie is a psychological experience to begin with. It's the idea of making time to go out and do something, it's going into a group environment, where those in attendance can be an integral part of the enjoyment, it's having someone else do the work and letting the viewer just enjoy the show.

The trouble is that I think it's quite challenging to have the experience hit the right notes with the majority of attendees. Picking the right movie, setting the right tone, and the uncontrollable variable of the crowd, can impact how enjoyable the experience is.

Yes, there's always going to be a few people that are going to get hung up on the technical details, but I don't think that's able to be avoided. Within reason, I don't think I'd care if it was DVD, Blu-ray, 35mm, or Digital Cinema, as that's a small aspect of the overall experience.

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Pravin Ratnam
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I can tell you that as a consumer who does enjoy watching older movies in a cinema, there is no freaking way I am paying money to watch a DVD projected on a screen. Hell, with BluRays and HD beiing common, I have a tough time watching DVDs projected in a home theater these days. Imagine how much worse it looks on a real big screen.

I think the whole theater experience means a lot different to the current era. In the old days, we had VHS and no HD in the home exhibition business. Right now, home choices are a lot better. So a theater is not the only option one has to watch a good big presenation of a classic movie. The social aspect counts for some, but with youtube and other outlets, people are making their own shared aspect of moviewatchine - live or through collective comments.

To each his own. If enough people liked that sort of thing- DVD on a big screen, I guess more power to them. But I undersstand why people would voice their dissatisfaction with watching something they own or can have acccess to at thome on a big screen in the same format.

I know many people have poor video perception(cant even tell the difference between a square and a rectangle). But I would assume the average person could tell something is off if they had to watch a DVD projected on a big screen.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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> it really is all about the psychology of the experience

And watching a motion picture on film is a big part of that psychological experience...

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Jon Morgan
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We do DVD or Blu-Ray occasionally for classic films and all the time for locally made stuff. We showed House on Blu-Ray and Death Bed: The Bed That Eats on DVD (House was all booked on 35mm and Death Bed might have one 16mm print, but it was questionable and but we're not equipped for 16mm anymore). We had about 100 people show up--one guy demanded his money back (he's a regular who does this for anything digital including our d-cinema stuff), which we gladly obliged, and the other 99 people had a blast.

I fully believe that the customers have a right to make an informed decision when deciding to come to a screening. If somebody doesn't want to pay to see a DVD, I totally understand, and if they bought tickets without realizing what format it was in and want a refund, that's cool too. The vast majority of my customers don't care and can't tell the difference. I'm not saying I can't--properly presented film is vastly superior to anything digital--but most people who come to these events aren't nearly concerned as we are by what format we're projecting.

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Jarret Chessell
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The argument of "I can watch the dvd at home" also is flawed in that:
-Most people don't have nice gear at home (I know we have exceptions here).
-A lot of people don't even have things set up properly at home.*

*My father who hasn't busted 60 yet bought a new 52" LCD TV. He had a $40 dvd player plugged in using the composite cables. It was forcing a 4:3 signal to his 16x9 tv. He was actually watching it letterboxed on the sides and the top and bottom, at 480i! He also was only using the L&R audio.
If this is a typical home setup (and I believe it is), you should be giving the average joe pretty good bang for their buck.

I also bought my father a blu-ray player and hooked it up with HDMI and some 5.1 niftyness [Smile]

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Tony L. Hernandez
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I have found that there are two kinds of people interested in classic movies. There are those who will drive up to 100 miles to see any kind of celluloid print on the big screen and there are those who would not go see "The Sound Of Music" on 70mm in a theater even if it was right across the street from them because "they own it on Blu-Ray and it looks just as good in their home theater". Needless to say, the former expects film. The only gray area I have fond is the crowd of grandparents and late-in-life parents who saw a certain movie on the big screen 40 years ago when it came out and want to share the experience with their young children and grandchildren. These folks usually don't care what format it is shown in so long as the image is projected on a big screen in a theater full of people, just how they remember. This crowd, however,is usually only 10% of your audience.

I had one instance where I had a modern French film come into one of my arthouses that had 3 big, green emulsion scratches right down the middle. It was so bad that the distributor sent a back up DVD. On the night of the show, I set both the 35mm up as well as the DVD & digital projector. Before the show, I went before the audience and announced the abysmal condition of the 35mm print and took a "show of hands" vote on which they would rather see. Out of the 70 or so people, only one person wanted to see the DVD instead. We ran the 35mm and still, the people were happy with their choice despite the condition.

Another case was last December when I wanted to book a classic Christmas film for the 3-plex mall cinema on the western slope of Colorado that I had just reopened. I tried for a 35mm print but they were all taken by larger venues. My options were a DVD of any film I chose or a very old 16mm print of "Miracle on 34th Street" in excellent condition. I went with the 16mm print of "Miracle" and installed a temporary 16mm projection system in the largest house along side the 35mm. The first day I ran the film (we ran it every day for the week leading up to Christmas, free of charge) there were only about 45 people in the audience and ironically, the film broke above the gate about 3/4 thru the show. Needless to say, this interrupted the show and brought to the audiences attention that it was an actual film print. Being a small town, word spreads quickly and the next day, my audience was tripled. I had about 25-30 people come up to me and say how they were not planning to come since "Miracle" plays all the time on TV that time of year but when they found out it was being shown "from an old projector-film reel" (as many of them called it), they could not miss the chance to see it and/or have their children experience it.

We can all debate the quality issues all day long here but when it comes to the classics, people want to see what they can't see anywhere else : "an old projector -film reel" on the big screen. They can buy a DVD at Wal-Mart and watch it whenever they want. Like many others have said, this thread's title is very pertinent...it's all about the "psychology".
I do not condemn anyone who has to run DVD/Blu-Ray in their theater. I have to do it from time to time myself as some classics simply are not available or some of the low-budget film makers cannot afford prints (in the case you run an arthouse). I simply think we need to be mindful of our customers by advertising the format, if possible and sympathizing with their concerns.

Steve Guttag, you do not stand alone. I would take a 16mm over a DVD or Blu-Ray any day of the week. While DVD has been a godsend for homes,churches and small classrooms, I believe it has no theatrical value. Blu-Ray may have some argument but still, it is not film or even DCinema. I too have asked for refunds when I have gone to see a classic on the big screen and been "surprised" with a DVD blow-up.

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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Tony, my experiences at UC Irvine over the last 13 years mirrors yours. Our audience has always preferred film over video, and in a lot of cases when DVD or other video is our only option for media, our attendance would go down.

But in general, if the audience knows in advance that a screening was on video, there were no complaints about being shortchanged.

And in the cases of damaged print vs. video backup, the audience choice has always been film.

Welcome back, noticed you'd been gone for a while..check your PM's as I just sent you one. [Smile]

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Tony L. Hernandez
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Thanks for the welcome back. This year has been crazy and I am finally getting back on here!
Often, we even have to discount our digital shows (unless it is something very exclusive) just to get a decent turnout. Such is life on the campus of a large, film-oriented film school. I cannot say I disagree with them though. Paying a large fee to watch a blown-up DVD is like going to a high-end Asian restaurant and being served a plate of Top Ramen for $15 simply because it is in a fancy restaurant and served on a pretty plate. Much as I love Ramen, I'll eat it at home for $.50 and save my money for a more unique and higher quality meal out.

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Pravin Ratnam
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DVD doesnt even look great on a 60 incnh rear projection. I cant imagine how bad it looks on a big screen in a theater. I hope it doesnt look as bad as those premovie advertisements. At the very least, use BluRay.

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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Tony: [Big Grin] [beer]

Pravin, DVD looks passable on my hi-def projector at UCI, we have an 80' throw and I get about a 20' wide image in letterbox mode. If you sit from mid-house back, the image is acceptable. Any closer and pixels are an issue.

Blu-ray does a bit better.

VHS, as Joe would say, looks like ass at any viewing distance.

See the pics UC Irvine HIB 100 in the warehouse.

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Mike Blakesley
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I've viewed a few DVDs on our screen using our Blu-Ray player which has the "upconvert" feature. It makes them look very, very good...not film or DCinema quality of course, but far better than I ever expected them to look. Looney Tunes in particular look amazingly good. Makes me want to show them to audiences again.

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Louis Bornwasser
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The difficulty here is that YOUR THEATRE brings with it an expectation of quality. If you fail to deliver, you tear down that expectation.

Hence, 16mm, dvd, blue ray, or whatever MUST BE equal to your normal presentation if you are to survive. Louis

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Tony L. Hernandez
I had about 25-30 people come up to me and say how they were not planning to come since "Miracle" plays all the time on TV that time of year but when they found out it was being shown "from an old projector-film reel" (as many of them called it), they could not miss the chance to see it and/or have their children experience it.
But if they see film reels as "old" wouldn't this tell you that a good portion of your audience hasn't a clue that you're normally running 35mm? Just playing "Devil's Advocate" here...

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