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Randy Stankey
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It was pretty clear to me from the start that these machines were conceived and designed as little more than marketing devices.

That's not really a problem. A company (or anybody) has the right to market their product in whatever way they see fit as long as it is legal. (I don't see legality as an issue here.) I do have a problem with marketing at the expense of providing a good product and pushing it off on the public as some kind of improvement when it is really little more than window dressing.

Most people just want to drink Coke. Why should they have to play a stinking video game in order to get it? Why should people have to stand in line while other people, in front of them, fuss with a complex machine? All they really want to do is drink a tasty beverage.

As we have seen, getting a tasty beverage from a Freestyle machine is little more than a crap shoot. You'll get *A* beverage but, unless the machine has had the correct software updates, it might or might not be actually tasty.

As we have seen, pouring a beverage, whether it is actually tasty or not, is a complex affair of pressing virtual buttons on a touch screen which often does not respond to touch then filling a cup with ice from an ice dispenser that sorta-kinda works but which often fills your cup with ice until it overflows. Then, finally, after you have gotten wet hands from a drippy nozzle and after you have overflowed your cup, yet again, with fizzy, foamy, syrupy liquid, you wind up with a product that only loosely resembles Coca Cola.

If you don't believe me, go sit at a table, ten feet away from one of these machines, and watch customers try to use them. It is actually funny to watch people try to use them! (I'm not laughing at the people. I'm laughing at what the machines make the people do just to get a drink.)

This whole Freestyle thing is nothing more than empty marketing designed to make "impressions" on customers and to provide a "fresh" public image but which doesn't really give what it claims to do in the first place.

Maybe you could claim that this is false advertising but, honestly, I'd say that's a stretch. It's not illegal but neither do I find it moral to use "smoke and mirrors" advertising at the expense of proving a good product.

Bottom line: Freestyle = Crapola.

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Mike Blakesley
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Well you're making it sound a little more complicated than it is. The ice dispenser is a simple lever that you just press with your cup and hold until you have as much as you want. If you get too much, dump some out.

Then you press a maximum of two buttons to select the flavor you want, and one "pour" button to run the soda into your cup.

I will grant that the buttons aren't always as responsive as they should be.

Mind you, I'm not saying the product tastes good. I haven't had a lot of experience with these things but I've never had a Coke that I thought tasted real good from one.

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Randy Stankey
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Just sit quietly by, about ten feet away, where you can see but won't be noticed, and watch other people use the machines.

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Buck Wilson
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I've never had a good beverage from one. Some are better than others, but you can always tell it's from a superconcentrate. It just has a weird tang/zing to it. And yes, I always flush the valve first(WHICH I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO)

Still not a fan.

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Marcel Birgelen
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quote: Randy Stankey
Most people just want to drink Coke. Why should they have to play a stinking video game in order to get it? Why should people have to stand in line while other people, in front of them, fuss with a complex machine? All they really want to do is drink a tasty beverage.
Sounds like the perfect solution for locations were gambling and slot machines aren't legalized. Give those things a coin slot. Payout will be in "tasty" beverages rather than coins.

quote: Randy Stankey
As we have seen, pouring a beverage, whether it is actually tasty or not, is a complex affair of pressing virtual buttons on a touch screen which often does not respond to touch then filling a cup with ice from an ice dispenser that sorta-kinda works but which often fills your cup with ice until it overflows. Then, finally, after you have gotten wet hands from a drippy nozzle and after you have overflowed your cup, yet again, with fizzy, foamy, syrupy liquid, you wind up with a product that only loosely resembles Coca Cola.
In the near future, you will not only be given a cup, but your own bolt-on-nozzle, a pair of latex gloves and a manual.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Randy Stankey
Just sit quietly by, about ten feet away, where you can see but won't be noticed, and watch other people use the machines.
Oh I agree peole are clueless on how to use them. I was stuck in a line behind a lady in a Wendy's yesterday in fact.

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Randy Stankey
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quote:
Sounds like the perfect solution for locations were gambling and slot machines aren't legalized. Give those things a coin slot. Payout will be in "tasty" beverages rather than coins.
Back in the 80's, I remember stories about Coke machines where you had to play a little game in which you had to make the LED display spell "C-O-K-E" by hitting a button to stop the randomly changing letters. Apparently that idea didn't last a month before they had to pull those machines.

I don't remember the details but I do remember reading about it.

quote: Marcel Birgelen
In the near future, you will not only be given a cup, but your own bolt-on-nozzle, a pair of latex gloves and a manual.
... AND a cup with an RFID tag on the bottom of it which tracks what kind of beverage you choose, how many times you refill and that information will be linked back to the credit card number you used at the POS station when you bought your drink so that everything you drink can be used as marketing data.

I'm only half joking, here... [Roll Eyes]

quote: Mike Blakesley
Oh I agree peole are clueless on how to use them. I was stuck in a line behind a lady in a Wendy's yesterday in fact.
While I think that "people" as a group are clueless and, often, downright stupid, I don't agree that "individuals" are stupid unless they are placed in situations where unexpected things happen.

For example, people who are suddenly trapped in a burning building can behave irrationally, for instance, by jumping from windows in high-rise buildings.

Freestyle machines place people in unfamiliar situations when they are forced to make selections on a screen, reach inside small compartments, press levers and push a flashing button just to get a drink.

All that when they just wanted a drink. What they get, instead, is a cup full of something that sorta-kinda, loosely resembles Coke.

It is the machines that are "making" people stupid when they are forced into unfamiliar situations for no tangible reason except for what I like to call "empty marketing."

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Randy Stankey
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Something that Brad mentioned....

When you select Cherry Coke or some other flavor, you really get Coke
Zero.

Bad! Very bad!

Coke Zero has aspartame and acesulfame potassium in it!
Two ingredients that some people are sensitive or allergic to! I mean like "hospital sick!"

Personally, I don't care for aspartame. I'm not so worried about the potential health effects. I just don't like the stuff. But, if somebody who selects "Coke+flavor" unwittingly drinks aspartame or acesulfame then either gets sick or gets upset about consuming artificial sweeteners! the Coca Cola Company could have a whole peck of trouble on its hands!

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Ken Lackner
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I agree with Randy. Surely a company as large as Coke with lawyers out the wazoo would know this. Brad, what is your source of this information?

quote: Randy Stankey
Now that this thread has floated up again....
I see what you did there! [Big Grin] [beer]

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Brad Miller
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A theater executive who inquired to Coke as to why he was going through absurd amounts of Coke Zero. The Coke rep explained it to him directly. It's apparently not a big secret.

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Randy Stankey
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Oh... And apparently, the setup menus on these machines aren't very well protected...

http://youtu.be/o1oyCQwxaX8

Just by pressing a few "secret" buttons, you can access all the settings and service menus.

So, Brad, here's your opportunity! [Wink]

I can't believe that there isn't a pass code on that screen!

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Brad Miller
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Sweet. I wonder if the brix can be adjusted through that screen.

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Randy Stankey
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If there is anybody who can tell us that, and how to set it so you get the correct brix, it would be you. [Wink]

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Ken Lackner
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Doing a Google search, I found this:

http://www.coca-cola.co.uk/freestyle/coca-cola-freestyle.html

Yes, this is a UK site. I wouldn't for a second assume the ingredients are the same as they are for the US. I've never seen "fructose-glucose syrup" on a US nutrition label. According to the ingredients for each flavor, they do use Coca-Cola for flavored Coke choices (not Coke Zero) in the UK, as no artificial sweeteners show up in the list of ingredients for Coca-Cola flavors.

I've been trying and trying and cannot find a similar site for the US. This disturbs me.

I'm still searching.

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Brad Miller
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Ken, if you don't want Coke Zero the current solution is simple. Don't add a flavor into it such as cherry or lime. Just pour straight Coke and you will get straight Coke.

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