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Michael Schaffer
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Boardwalk Hotel?"

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I would never go into a restaurant where I have to wear a tie. A tie is a stupid piece of clothing, and it might hang into the soup.

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Steve Kraus
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Of all the women I have seen breast feeding in public only a small amount choose not to put a scarf or blanket over the nursing kid. What is the problem you guys have with doing that? What problem could a woman have with doing that if it might offend someone?

I'm not against a woman choosing to cover up. But you are insisting on it. I see no reason to force a woman to hide as though she is doing something illicit.

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Private body parts being sucked on in public, are body parts being sucked on in public no matter what sex. So now the double standard is shown. Women can do it but men can't. Hmmm

Are you really claiming to not understand that one is a sex act and the other is not? Why do you keep insisting on connecting these two completely unrelated things? Women breastfeeding when and where the need arises, with or without a covering, has nothing to do with the legality of sex in public or dramatically passing gas. I think it's your case that is running out of gas when you have to trot out all this unrelated crap.

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Michael Schaffer
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If I'm out for dinner at a nice restaurant I do not want to see tits unless it's a topless bar and I'm there on purpose
Now you really surprise me, Greg. I would not have pictured you as someone going to topless bars. Does your wife know about this secret hobby?

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Phil Hill
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This discussion is discusting, boring, and stupid. I think we should go back to discussing blow jobs... [evil]

OBTW: Mike, skip the soup. The tie won't be a problem. Or, throw your tie over your shoulder...that'll keep it outta your soup.

Emily Post told me...

>>> Phil

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Steve Kraus
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OK, you start the new thread and I'll be right over.

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Phil Hill
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Steve...LOL!

>>> Phil

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Paul Mayer
Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under!

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Michael, when you come to ShoWest I will show you a restaurant where, if you happen to wear a tie into the place, you will be required to have it cut off and hung permanently from the rafters (along side hundreds of others). My kind of place. [thumbsup]

Randy, that PA announcement sounds like someone has been on one of my canyon tour flights. I want those residuals! [Big Grin]

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Greg Mueller
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"....I think it's your case that is running out of gas when you have to trot out all this unrelated crap....."

Well Steve the original topic was a pilot kicking a mother and kid off and airplane for aberrant behavior. Most of the people responding to this thread have agreed that the pilot was right.
So what we are really talking about is perceived aberrant behavior.
I see women who expose private parts of their body in an eating establishment (or anywhere else for that matter) as aberrant behavior. Especially when they are in the minority and could very easily not expose said parts of body but CHOOSE to. Which is the reason for the original comment I made which led to your attack.
So like it or not I still continue to dislike aberrant behavior in any form in a public place. I consider it ill mannered and un appropriate behavior. What's more, I shouldn't have to turn my head close my eyes, turn the other cheek or anything else when somebody engages in boorish and/or illegal behavior. I don't care who does it. That's my opinion. Don't like it? Tough

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Leo Enticknap
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Apologies in advance for going off-topic.

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Kodak and other progressive companies encourage working mothers to breastfeed during working hours...
So that's why Kodak is reported to be in dire financial straits - because its staff spend all their time feeding their kids rather than making cameras and film and stuff... [Roll Eyes]

Seriously, I have no real problem with breast feeding in public, just as long as it's done discretely and is not accompanied by any other antisocial behaviour (e.g. the baby crying, vomiting or filling its nappy - not a sound, sight or smell one would want to be confronted with, say, in a restaurant). But I'm completely fed up with this politically correct/snivel libertarian ethos which says that women should be allowed to do what the hell they like in the workplace and that men should have to pull their female colleagues' weight because to expect these employees to do an honest day's work for an honest day's pay would be misogynist and discriminatory.

I was recently required to attend a 'diversity training' session in which we were told that, in effect, society should make whatever concessions women, disabled and ethnic minority employees feel they would like. This included 'facilitating flexible working' (translation: they work when they damn well like and you work when they don't like, which is most of the time), 'facilitating home working' (translation: taking extra paid leave whenever they like), 'respecting the work-life balance' (translation: letting them off doing even more work) and much else besides.

Off the top of my head I can think of four workplaces in which freeloading female employees were partly or wholly responsible for my having to work ridiculous amounts of (usually unpaid) overtime. The worst such example was a chief projectionist who'd just had a baby and announced that she 'knew her rights', which meant never having to work evenings and weekends. Yes, that's right, this is a cinema and someone announces that she won't work evenings and weekends! The management were too scared of being taken to some loony left equal opportunities tribunal to stand up to her.

If these people can't stand the heat (i.e. do the same job, to the same level of efficiency, as their childless, healthy and/or male colleague), they should get out of the kitchen and this loony left freeloading culture should stop.

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John Pytlak
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Leo wrote:

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So that's why Kodak is reported to be in dire financial straits - because its staff spend all their time feeding their kids rather than making cameras and film and stuff...
I'm sorry you feel that way, but many feel differently:

http://www.kodak.com/cgi-bin/US/en/corp/pressCenter/headlines.cgi

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October 23 -- Recognizing the impact senior leaders have on diversity and inclusion in corporate America, Diversity Best Practices/Business Women's Network recently honored Daniel A. Carp, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Eastman Kodak Company, and nine other CEOs with the organization's Diversity Leadership Award.

IMHO, Kodak's consideration for its employees and customers helps it meet the challenges all companies are facing today.

And Kodak is not in "dire financial straits". For the third quarter of 2003, sales totaled $3.447 billion, up 3% from $3.352 billion in the third quarter of 2002. Earnings from continuing operations, excluding the impact of focused cost reductions and a non-operational item, were $252 million, or 88 cents per share.

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Steve Kraus
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So like it or not I still continue to dislike aberrant behavior in any form in a public place. I consider it ill mannered and un appropriate behavior
ABERRANT Meaning different from the usual; different from the expected. Hmmm. That really doesn't enter into my moral calculus and I'm not really understanding why it should. Black people sharing a lunch counter or riding in the front of the bus was also once considered aberrant. (And no, I am not suggesting you are racist. Boobist perhaps.)

Status quo need not remain thus. If someone wishes to deviate from the expected norms it's reasonable to ask if the planned course of action carries a downside. In this case the mere fact that some folks will be horrified at the sight of a female breast is hardly good reason to force their concealment during a necessary function if comfort, convenience, etc. suggest otherwise.

In olden days a glimpse of stocking,
Was looked on as something shocking...


Society survived these shocks, all of which probably started as "aberrant" behavior and did not come crumbling down. Or maybe you think it has?

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Leo Enticknap
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And Kodak is not in "dire financial straits".
I did say 'reported to be in dire financial straits...' [Smile]

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Greg Mueller
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"...Society survived these shocks, all of which probably started as "aberrant" behavior and did not come crumbling down. Or maybe you think it has?..."

It is in the process, because of the "anything goes" philosphy that the politically correct, looney left is forcing on us. The "I know my rights" crowd does a lot of rediculous things "because they can" and to be defiant.
In the future, things might change, but I'm concern with things I do today, not some lah lah, wannabe perfect world of the future.
I guess you are just bound and determined to get the last word on me so go ahead Steve. I think you know where I stand and if you want to take some vaginized view towards life and public manners I could care less.
So go ahead and take the last shot

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Leo Enticknap
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...if you want to take some vaginized view...
I've always loved the American English trick of turning nouns into verbs by quite simply adding -ize on the end (e.g. burglarize), but that trumps them all! [Big Grin]

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Steve Kraus
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I have no childish need to have the last word; in fact I was almost tempted to avoid responding just because of your taunt. However that would put me in the position of doing something (or not in this case) simply to prove a point and that's something I really abhor.

I agree with you that there are a lot of things wrong with our society and in some instances things have declined. But I am a rational thinking person, not an automaton, and I can give rational thought to things and not presume that change is automatically bad and not imagine connections that are a stretch at best and ridiculous at worst. Therefore as a rational thinking person I am not going to equate the occasional glimpse of a female breast in public as leading to the decline of our civilization.

Vaginized? Not a word in my dictionary but the highly misogynistic meaning is clear to all.

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