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Author Topic: Pilot kicks the crying kid off the plane Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 10-23-2003 04:55 PM                  OK Steve! That's it! You've used up your allotment of the 25-cent words.... >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Gerard S. Cohen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 975 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 10-23-2003 05:01 PM                     Progressive companies and government offices recognize the right of fathers to take paternity leave. Therefor time for a mother to breastfeed does not, to me, constitute unfair discrimination based on sex. What are the alternatives to breastfeeding in public? Well, a lactating woman can express her milk into a sterile bottle, and if it can be kept from spoiling by refrigeration or freezing and then warmed to body temperature, she can feed it to her baby with a sterilized neoprene nipple. But I can't imagine many women able to do all that while traveling on an airplane, and I certainly don't think it advisable for her to take the baby into the toilet to breastfeed. Cows milk? Formula? Have you tasted the difference? Mother's milk is far more flavorful and has the necessary antibodies to protect the child from disease, plus growth factors, which are not present in such substitutes. And eliminating the bottle eliminates lots of unsanitary baggage. Ask any pediatrician or orthodontist about the differences in child development between breast feeding and bottle feeding. And bonding between mother and child is healthy for both, but who wants to bond with a glass or plastic bottle? As for breastfeeding in art, any encyclopedia of art will reveal countless icons, paintings and sculptures from the middle ages through the renaissance right up to modern times showing the babe imbibing from his mother's breast, both in religious and secular art. I can't imagine any library, museum or church that would ban them, except in extremely repressive societies? Breastfeeding in public illegal? Where? I would not want to live in such a society, if such exists. As for restaurants, it is natural for parents to feed the family when its members are hungry. Babies are hungry pretty often, and if not fed on demand, become irritable and cry. For a mother to deny the baby food while feeding the rest of the family is cruel. Not every mother can afford to leave the baby home with a wet-nurse, nor would many mothers consider this a desirable option. Children who grow up in families where the mother breastfeeds her children realize the naturalness of the practice and develope healthier attitudes towards their bodies and towards motherhood.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 10-23-2003 10:16 PM                     quote: Cows milk? Formula? Have you tasted the difference [between these two and mother's milk]? Have you? Sorry, I just had to ask. -Aaron  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 10-23-2003 10:40 PM                        To bring the discussion back to the original topic: What are your feelings about breastfeeding pilots?  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 10-23-2003 11:38 PM                  Mike, the pilots are allowed to be breast-fed up until the age of 65, IF it will not interfere with piloting the plane! >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-23-2003 11:43 PM                     Phil most babys have auto pilot for that issue  |  IP: Logged Paul Mayer Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under! Posts: 3836 From: Albuquerque, NM Registered: Feb 2000 posted 10-24-2003 01:34 AM                        Another in-flight berserker incident happened yesterday, right here. A bit more serious than the incident that started this thread, but still dealt with in a most appropriate manner. As for me, I was a bottle baby... Man Subdued on Southwest Flight Thursday, October 23, 2003 Posted: 11:16 PM EDT (0316 GMT) (CNN) -- A man aboard a Southwest Airlines flight from Nevada to California threatened to "take this aircraft down" and became so unruly that flight attendants and passengers had to subdue him with plastic restraints, officials said Thursday. An FBI spokesman in Las Vegas, Nevada, where the flight originated Wednesday, said Salvador Gonzalez, 27, of Oceanside, California, had been arraigned Thursday and charged with assault, interfering with a flight crew, giving false information and making threats. A judge ordered that he remain in custody. The FBI spokesman said that soon after Southwest Airlines Flight 2466 from Las Vegas to Ontario, California, got under way, Gonzalez told a flight attendant he wanted to speak to police in Ontario as soon as the plane landed. When he took his seat, he complained of breathing difficulties, the spokesman said, and demanded oxygen. Gonzalez then got up and walked toward the front of the aircraft and began making threatening statements, the FBI spokesman said. "He said, 'I want to get off this plane, do I have to say there is a bomb on the plane to get off?' and 'I'm going to take this aircraft down,'" the FBI spokesman said. Gonzalez was also aggressive and pulled luggage out of overhead bins, the spokesman said, at which point he was subdued and beaten by passengers. He sustained minor injuries, the spokesman said. Southwest Airlines spokesman Ed Stewart said Gonzalez also rocked in his chair so forcefully that he knocked it loose from the floor. The plane was diverted back to Las Vegas, the FBI spokesman said, and Gonzalez was arrested upon arrival. CNN producer Beth Lewandowski contributed to this report.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 10-24-2003 05:16 AM                        Salvador probably was bottlefed instead of breastfed in his infancy. That might account for his problems. Here is another interesting question: if he lives in Oceanside, why does he fly to Ontario rather than San Diego? It takes more than 1h longer to get from Ontario to Oceanside than from San Diego. There seems to be a lot wrong with this guy. Does he even have a legal driver license?  |  IP: Logged Gerard S. Cohen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 975 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 10-24-2003 11:51 AM                     Yes,Aaron, I certainly have, both as a baby and as a father. Mother's milk is sweet and delicious, though its actual flavor is influenced by her diet. More people should taste what they give to their babies, since pablum-type foods, and many processed foods in jars are tasteless or worse. All parents should check. Don't trust the advertising hype. Gerard  |  IP: Logged

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