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Author Topic: 82nd Academy Award Nominations Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-03-2010 09:32 PM                     quote: Justin Hamaker Bobby, when I watch a movie like The Hurt Locker, I'm less concerned with every detail being right. What I want is a movie that does the job of making me feel like I'm there; like I know what the characters are going through. Getting the details right regarding what characters do in their jobs, be they soldiers, cops, etc., is part of what makes the experience more authentic and real. If anyone is going to make a war movie with the marketing spin of "this is how it is over there" they need to get the details correct enough so the movie plays well even in front of soldiers who are veterans of the same conflict. A good example of this is Full Metal Jacket. The bootcamp sequence of the film is very authentic simply because Stanley Kubrick chose to dismiss the Hollywood actor hired to play the drill instructor and have the technical adviser guy who was a real USMC DI (R. Lee Ermey) play the role instead.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-03-2010 11:46 PM                        I have a friend who was in the Army. I told him once that pretty much all I knew about the military was what I learned from watching "Full Metal Jacket," "Forrest Gump" and "Gomer Pyle." I asked him which of those was the closest to the way it REALLY is in the military. He thought it over and finally said, "Well.... probably 'Forrest Gump.'"  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 02-04-2010 01:03 AM                     So Full Metal Jacket wasn't like the real thing? The drill sergeant they used for the movie might disagree with him, considering he wasn't an actor (originally hired to teach the original actor how to make his performance realistic). Though the movie was of the Marines not the Army if memory serves correct so MAYBE that explains the difference...  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-04-2010 05:33 PM                     You might have mis-read my post (or maybe I didn't type it in a clear enough manner). Full Metal Jacket is one of the war movies whose details were very authentic -well, at least in terms of the bootcamp sequence. R. Lee Ermey, the guy who played the drill instructor was not the fellow originally cast for the role. Ermey was initially brought on as a technical adviser. Kubrick liked what he saw when Ermey showed the actor how to act like a DI so he gave Ermey the part. My father (a retired Marine) and some of his fellow "jarheads" watched Full Metal Jacket at an Upper East Side movie theater in New York City when the show was in limited release. They loved the bootcamp stuff. Actually they laughed their asses off at a lot of it, reliving old memories and kind of scaring other people in the theater. The non-military types found the bootcamp stuff scary and dehumanizing.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 02-05-2010 12:01 AM                        Every time the drill instructor in Full Metal Jacket opens his mouth it is a hilarious moment indeed. The first half of the movie is full of LOLs.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 02-05-2010 06:08 PM                  Ooops! Double post deleted by poster... Ummm ME!  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 02-05-2010 06:09 PM                  Academy Awards = YAWN... Who the fuck cares? The whole academy is ALL about ass-kissing and butt-hole lickin'...  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-05-2010 06:16 PM                     quote: Jonathan Worthing Yes but E.T. was More untrue words were never said.  |  IP: Logged Gracia L. Babbidge Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 709 From: Bowdoin, Maine Registered: Aug 2000 posted 02-05-2010 11:08 PM                        I work at a cinema that hosts a catered party for the Academy Awards - so I'll be having a good time, no matter who wins the statues! We run a pick-the-winners contest, with prizes from local businesses. Grading the ballots gives the staff something to do during the broadcast, and the guests something to look forward to. Even with a ten screen cinema in town, we still always seem to play a decent number of nominated films on our one screen. This week ~ A Single Man Coming soon ~ Crazy Heart Already played: ~Precious: Based on the novel 'Push' by Sapphire ~The Young Victoria ~Coco Before Chanel ~An Education ~Bright Star ~In The Loop ~A Serious Man It's my opinion that the competition is fierce in the Costume Design category this year!  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 02-20-2010 04:11 PM                        I finally sat through the Hurt Locker and while it wasn't too bad, it certainly isn't "Best Picture" material. It looks like it was made by an amateur. What is with the scene of the guys punching and humping each other? None of the characters are decent. The ONLY character that had any potential was Guy Pierce and he was in the movie for what, 45 seconds? I think Avatar was the better movie, sad as that may be. Out of all the movies nominated, Inglorious Basterds is probably the best pick. I like "Up" a lot, but not really in a "Best Picture" kind of way. I haven't bothered with District 9 yet. Education is boring and Precious Based on the Novel 'Push' by Sapphire (that's the movie's full title as if anyone gave a fuck about someone who calls themselves "sapphire") makes me sick to my stomach. She is just too damn obese, I cannot stand it.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-20-2010 05:45 PM                     I think District 9 is a better movie than The Hurt Locker and Avatar. It was a very different kind of science fiction movie, but with it being a science fiction genre movie the Academy will avoid picking it. Inglorious Basterds was entertaining, but I felt it was just too uneven and overwhelmed with homage to old movies to really stand on its own as a great movie. I haven't seen the Precious movie yet.  |  IP: Logged Galen Murphy-Fahlgren Master Film Handler Posts: 405 From: Canton, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2007 posted 02-22-2010 03:28 AM                     Bobby, I finally got around to watching The Hurt Locker, and I was curious what specific points you took issue with. I have a number of points in mind that I thought were inaccurate in regards to tactics and SOP, as well as a technical point or two, and I was curious as to what had gotten to you. I actually rather liked the movie, despite not liking any of the characters and the issues with authenticity, but the only other nominated films I've seen were Up and Up in the Air, so I can't really speak to whether I think it should win.  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Worthing Master Film Handler Posts: 384 From: Hereford, UK Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-22-2010 06:27 AM                     quote: John Wilson More untrue words were never said. Yes, but I miss irony most  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-22-2010 09:37 PM                     quote: Galen Murphy-Fahlgren Bobby, I finally got around to watching The Hurt Locker, and I was curious what specific points you took issue with. I have a number of points in mind that I thought were inaccurate in regards to tactics and SOP, as well as a technical point or two, and I was curious as to what had gotten to you. My biggest gripe with The Hurt Locker is its inclusion of that very implausible sniper sequence with the British contractors. It seems like any movie about modern war has to have a sniper sequence in it. The only thing missing was a bad guy catching a bullet through his rifle scope. Here's a number of points that are wrong with that sequence: No trio of EOD guys would be driving around the desert alone in one mere humvee. They would be escorted by other troops in a convoy of vehicles. The director and screenwriter even mention this fallacy in the commentary track. It looked like the insurgent snipers were using AK-47 rifles. Even if they were using Dragunov rifles I find it very hard to believe a couple of insurgents would be sniping human targets hundreds or thousands of yards away with pin point surgical precision. It's made even more unbelievable with the Americans using a more effective rifle (a .50 caliber Barrett) and missing multiple times before finally hitting anything. An enemy sniper is typically going to shoot just once and disappear even if he misses. Shooting repeatedly will give away one's position. But we can't have that in a Hollywood movie because it just isn't nearly as dramatic as a prolonged gun fight. The British contractor played by Ralph Fiennes wouldn't have been shooting from such a stupidly exposed position. The Iraqi insurgents would not have been firing repeatedly from such a stupidly obvious position: a brick building by itself way out in the desert. In reality, our guys wouldn't just shoot at the building using a sniper rifle. They would light up that building using heavier weaponry. There's various other parts of the movie that are pretty far fetched, such as a white American soldier being able to run through an Iraqi city at night disguised only with a hoodie. At a gun forum I visit, some military guys there have complained that real life EOD work is much more about controlled detonations and a lot less Hollywood "cut the red wire" stuff. There was only 1 controlled det scene in the whole movie. Go to YouTube and search "EOD." There's lots of big boom videos there. Real EOD guys, be they military or civilian contractors, are more professional in how they conduct themselves. Overall The Hurt Locker is being marketed as a "this is what the war is like for our troops over there" kind of thing. The movie's writer was an embedded journalist in Iraq, which helps the movie sell itself as being authentic. Unfortunately Hollywood conventions of filmmaking have interfered (as usual) and taken what could have been a really interesting movie down a notch or two in quality. As I've said before, I think the movie, overall, is still a good movie. It's just not authentic. Even though the lead character is arguably crazy as an outhouse rat, he and many of his fellow troops are still shown in what I believe is a positive light.  |  IP: Logged Galen Murphy-Fahlgren Master Film Handler Posts: 405 From: Canton, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2007 posted 02-23-2010 05:19 AM                     I agree, and you could dissect the sniping sequence quite a bit more if you wanted. Additionally, the main character's wildly reckless behavior would've almost certainly brought him before a court martial at some point. As such, I found him to be a highly unsympathetic character.  |  IP: Logged

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