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Greg Anderson
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A few things bugged me…

Neil Patrick Harris: He’s gay and he likes to dance... not that there's anything wrong with that. But does that mean he gets to steal time during the Oscar telecast?

The opening banter by the hosts, where they’re obviously going to talk about actors in the audience: So why did the technical crew insist on cutting to the audience shots without lighting the audience?

Totally clunky broadcast from a technical standpoint: The sound was just flat. After the Olympics coverage which really had nice, smooth, enveloping surround sound, we get this mess, where the audience sounded like it was in another room and the mixing was just, plain ham-fisted. Then, when presenters stood on the stage reading their teleprompter rubbish, you could hear some giant, mechanical thing that sounded like 100 construction workers moving scaffolding. I couldn’t figure out what that was but, eventually, I guessed it was the set pieces resetting in the background. Who’s the bone-head who designed that mess? This wasn’t going to be a silent movie! The soundtrack wasn’t going to be looped!

We interrupt this broadcast for the A&E Biography of John Hughes. The Academy had absolutely no respect for him while he was alive but now we’ll treat him like a genius.

As usual, spend half the broadcast time showing presenters walking across the stage and/or reading the stupid stuff on the prompter but then don’t allow an actual winner to speak for more than 35 seconds. And if you were silly enough to give an award to a team of artists, cut off the sound before the second guy has a chance to say one word! Also use your ham-fisted sound mixing to make the cut-off as obvious and awkward as possible.

Finally, for those of you who thought that having 10 Best Picture nominees would help “regular folks” to enjoy the show… Oops! If any “regular folks” fell for that boy-who-cried-wolf nonsense then you can expect next year’s ratings to be somewhere below the numbers for, say, an A&E Biography of John Hughes. Let's face it, the awards go to the "artistic" films and anyone who enjoys "popular" movies is an idiot.

One more thing: The dance number highlighting the best original score nominees. I’m sorry, guys, but that was horrible. This isn’t 1983! What’s with the “the robot” and all of the other break dancing?

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Hillary Charles
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quote:
quote: Mark Ogden
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No movie that is 99% green screen deserves a cinematography award
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Please get your facts straight. This movie used blue screen, not green. Therefore the award is justified and your argument invalid.

Joe, I think you're just remembering all those blue cat people. Check me on this, but I'm sure I'm seeing green screen being used here.

How does that affect it's elegibility now?

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David Stambaugh
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There was definitely something going on with the audio. Sometimes it sounded like very low bitrate digital audio, full of artifacts, robotic and noisy.

Here in Eugene, if you want to see Hurt Locker now in a theater, your only choice is one of those dinner-and-beer-and-a-movie places showing it on Blu-ray in a fancy home theater setting. Probably about 20 seats. Wanna bet that changes this weekend?

Nominees are very clearly told in advance that they have a fixed amount of time to say their thank yous. If the winner is a team and the 1st guy uses up all their allotted time blabbing, too bad for the 2nd guy. It's the 1st guy's fault.

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Jonathan Althaus
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Streisand's comments really ticked me off. And did anyone have any doubt Kathryn would win once Streisand walked up to present the director award?

Thank You Tom Hanks. That is how the award should be presented, quick and to the point, no fluff at all.

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Greg Anderson
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I'll speculate about the "box office bump" for The Hurt Locker by using the real numbers which Crash made during a re-release after it got Best Picture. It was sitting at $53.4 million before the Oscars and it went to a whopping $54.58 million a few weeks after. So, if The Hurt Locker has a similar bump, expect it to earn an additional $325,000 a month from now. [sleep]

Simple conclusion: The war in Iraq is box office poison. That's not going to change.

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Justin Hamaker
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The think with the sound that I noticed is they must have some microphones which capture the audience noise. These mics are turned down when the focus is on screen and then turned up when the focus is on the audience. The problem seemed to be that they weren't very quick to reset the levels of these mics. I noticed the same problem this past week on American Idol.

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John Wilson
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I didn't think AVATAR was that great...that being said, is The Hurt Locker? I seriously doubt it. AVATAR should have won Best Picture purely for the achievement in advancing what the public can expect a movie can do...in so many ways.

What does The Hurt Locker deliver? Another war movie. [Roll Eyes]

Someone said it best this morning on the radio..."AVATAR should have been rewarded for what it has done as The Hurt Locker has many flaws also. There are more people in the line at the grocery store down the street than have paid to see The Hurt Locker. The Academy has zero respect for the opinions of people who see the movies they turn out"

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Bobby Henderson
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I agree the broadcast audio mix was crappy. One of the award winners (I think it was Michael Giacchino, Best Original Score, Up) had his speech infiltrated with some sort of bad humming noise, like a ground wire came loose somewhere. Just terrible.

There's little doubt more than a few eyes rolled when the tune to I Am Woman played as Kathryn Bigelow walked to the stage to accept the Best Director Oscar. Nauseatingly obvious. Why not just play the damned music from The Hurt Locker? Oh, I'm sorry. That would make too much sense.

I didn't mind the John Hughes tribute, but it could have been organized better. The "brat pack" 80's actors looked a bit lost after the montage was finished.

The annual memoriam thing was a bit odd. The show goofed up on the montage opening with Patrick Swayze with the shot of the stage only going full screen with the montage at the last second. I figured they would have saved Swayze's moment for last, with that final shot from Ghost with him walking toward the light on the horizon. Oh, I'm sorry. That would have been too obvious or made too much sense. They had to save the obvious "hit you over the head" nonsense with I Am Woman later. Farrah Fawcett was left out of the montage. Bea Arthur was another notable omission.

Ben Stiller's presentation for Best Makeup was one of the show's highlights. Pretty funny. But also oddly uncomfortable.

I thought the best joke from Steve Martin and Alec Baldwin the whole evening was Martin saying, "I wrote that speech," in response to Screenwriter Geoffrey Fletcher tripping over his words and drawing a blank while accepting his Oscar.

It really is getting to be extremely annoying how the Oscars telecast wastes such a huge amount of time with attempts at elaboration in awards presentations (such as 5 actors going on and on for just one award category) and then cutting off winners when they try to speak.

One award winner I thought was pretty cool: Logorama, the winner of the Best Animated Short Subject Award.

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Claude S. Ayakawa
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Our local ABC affiliate here in Honolulu was having image problems when I tuned in to watch the red carpet part of the show in HD. Although the audio was fine, the picture was badly pixilated and looked very bad. I was hoping the standard broadcast was ok and it was so I watched the first hour of the show that way, When KITV got their act together with their HD presentation, I watched the rest of the show in that format. I was rather pleased with the show and the results except the award for Best Picture, director and sound. If AVATAR had to be passed over, my choice would have been INGLORIOUS BASTARDS for best picture and director because I enjoyed that movie very much. I never like movies about the wars in Vietnam and Iraq and never bothered to watch the HURT LOCKER when it came out on Blu-Ray about two months ago. Even after winning an Oscar for best picture, director and sound, I still do not want to see it. I was very impressed with the sound when I saw AVATAR in digital IMAX 3-D and for it to lose to THE HURT LOCKER is something I just cannot understand. I agree about the memorial phase of the show, although I regret the loss of all of those talented film artists who had passed away in 2009, the presentation was not as touching as previous years. The best one was about two years ago when the Academy paid tribute to it's departed members with the theme from FORREST GUMP. I enjoyed Steve Martin and Alex Baldwin but I also agree the Best Actor and actress tribute by their colleagues was totally unnecessary. The only people who had probably enjoyed them was the nominees themselves.

-Claude

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John Wilson
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And maybe not even them. [puke]

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Hillary Charles
Joe, I think you're just remembering all those blue cat people. Check me on this, but I'm sure I'm seeing green screen being used here.
The clip they showed during the telecast showed a blue screen. I have done no more research into the making of Avatar and that trumped up Youtube video you linked to is exactly what makes me hate DVD extras. Why are they using the soundtrack from the movie? It doesn't need music! Unfortunately all of the "making of" features these days are EXACTLY like that, music from the movie, the actors talking bout how this movie breaks new ground, everyone talking about how great the director is, the director saying how challenging everything is. BORING!

quote: David Stambaugh
There was definitely something going on with the audio.
Yes, I noticed that, too. But we are talking about broadcast television, an area where nobody knows what they are doing. They are almost as bad as modern day "projectionists".

quote: Greg Anderson
Simple conclusion: The war in Iraq is box office poison. That's not going to change.
We opened Hurt Locker when it was initially released. Nobody came to see it. We got it back 3 additional times, the most recent being about 3 weeks ago. We are doing stellar numbers for the movie despite that we are a full-price theater and the movie has been available on video for at least 2 months and can be rented for a dollar. Even buying the damn thing is cheaper than a couple of tickets. But we keep selling it out. Even on the weekday afternoons there are 70-90 people in the auditorium. Might happen again this weekend. After that it will probably die off. We are not showing the movie on Blu-ray, we are projecting real 35mm motion picture movie film.

quote: John Wilson
AVATAR should have won Best Picture purely for the achievement in advancing what the public can expect a movie can do...in so many ways.
What did this movie do? 3D? Nope, been there, done that. CG? Nope, been there, done that. The movie still looks very cartoonish and the effects still look VERY CGI-ish. The movie's graphics did not impress me in the least. The 3D was good, but that effect was enhanced because the camera was NEVER still, adding parallax to the 3D visuals. Again, nothing groundbreaking here. You may argue about all the work that went into it.... but I don't care! All I care about is what I see, and it wasn't that impressive, there was just a lot of it. Nothing anyone says can make me impressed with the fake-looking CGI in Avatar.

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quote: John Wilson
There are more people in the line at the grocery store down the street than have paid to see The Hurt Locker.
John, in theory, the Academy Awards are supposed to be about quality film making as defined by those who make the movies. It is not intended to be the People's Choice Awards. If they were trying to mirror public opinion, then why weren't there multiple nominations for films like New Moon or Transformers 2.

This thread illustrates one of the thinks I hate most about Oscar season. There is so much bitching about what the show and the nominations/awards were not. I accept that it's not a perfect system and I accept it for what it is. I also understand that the art of making a movies is not just about acting or visual effects. And I also understand that virtually every movie takes creative liberties with real life.

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John Wilson
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quote: Justin Hamaker
John, in theory, the Academy Awards are supposed to be about quality film making as defined by those who make the movies. It is not intended to be the People's Choice Awards.
True, but they were not nominated. AVATAR did stellar numbers, yes...but that's not what I'm talking about. Avatar has and is changing things...one movie did this, and it sure doesn't go by the title of The Hurt Locker.

They screwed the pooch on the Best Picture.

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I disagree. Avatar was NOT, by far, the best picture at all of the year.

By about the same logic, Transformers and Harry Potter should be up there.

They are ENTERTAINING pictures. Not (neccessarily) good pictures.

Many of the pictures in the best picture category deserved the prize more than Avatar.

I also don't agree with the best set design for Avatar. Even Sherlock Holmes deserved it more.

Even the cinematrography is doubtful in a movie that is mostly CGI, but I agree it was good, just not "real cinematography". I mean you want perfect lighting? Push a buttom. Sunset? Push another. No shadow in the face of object #3? Push a button and have it ignored by the ray tracer, something impossible in real life as you can't stop light mid-air. An aerial 360º shot? No problem, just type in the speed you want it at. They even boast how "the camera wasn't a real camera but a virtual one" and how "scenes were shot with 197 cameras", etc, etc. I mean, come on. That's not "cinematography".

And I also don't agree that Avatar (or Dark Knight/Lord of the Rings/Harry Potter, for that matter) changed ANYTHING in the movie-making world other than remind those in charge that people love ESPECTACULAR movies that are entertaining and well made (or even badly made, if we count Transformers in) and they'll go in massive numbers to theaters to watch them in large screens, but they won't do the same for modest films about love or drama no matter how good they are (unless in-cre-di-bly good and even then, American Pie 7 will make about the same BO numbers). Oh, it also reminded studios that investing $200m in marketing hype can pay off.

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Greg Anderson
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At the end of the John Hughes tribute, 7 full seconds after Matthew Broderick has finished saying thank you (in German), as the acotrs are walking off the stage and the lights aren't on them anymore, you can hear someone say "My prompter was wrong" and another actor reply, "It was?"

I mean, please! Who was asleep at the audio switch? They let something like that through but they never missed a chance to cut off the microphone of an actual award winner!

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