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Author Topic: Are you a smoker? Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 03-05-2010 04:14 PM                        I've never been a smoker, but I grew up around many smokers. My mom finally quite when I was about 15-16 after watching my grandmother go through lung cancer after never smoking a day in her life. I can't say I've never smoked a cigarette myself because I tried it a few times when I was younger and wanted to be "cool". I have also taken a drag off other's cigarettes when drinking. All told, I've probably smoked 10 cigarettes in my life. When it comes to businesses like bars, I'm really surprised they can't see the up side to banning smoking. The majority of the population doesn't smoke and many people, like me, are less likely to enter a business that allows smoking. I guess there is an argument for the bars that cater to the alcoholics who show up by 10am any given day of the week. I am also old enough to remember when you could still smoke most places in California. In fact, I was a busboy/dishwasher at a restaurant when they had to eliminate their smoking section and go all non-smoking.  |  IP: Logged Bill Enos Film God Posts: 2081 From: Richmond, Virginia, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 03-05-2010 04:29 PM                     Don't smoke and never have. In Nov. of '92 I went to the emergency room with light chest discomfort, they immediately hooked me up to all the usual monitors which showed nothing outside of normal, about 10 minutes later I started having excruciating chest pain and pushed the button for assistance. Ten seconds later the cardiologist came in, took a look at me and the monitor, injected a clot dissolving med. listened with the stethoscope and asked me whether I smoked or ever had, I said no, his response was that increased my chances by about 80% and that in the next 30 to 60 minutes I would need all the lung capacity I had plus some to survive. A couple days later after I got a triple bypass I asked about his statement that I would need all the lung capacity I had. He said that about 70% of heavy smokers would have died.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 03-05-2010 05:12 PM                     quote: Bobby Henderson I've never been asked to sign a legal release form upon entering a bar, casino, bowling alley or any other place liable to be infected with copious amounts of second hand cigarette smoke. The whole idea behind the release form is to give an official thing saying that you've been informed of the risks involved in whatever activity is going on. It's based on the fact that the risks involved may not be immediately obvious, whereas with a bar that allows smoking it will be both obvious in the sense that you'll see people smoking and in the sense that the risks involved with being around smoke are common knowledge. Like if you go to a sushi bar, no one makes you sign a release form that eating some sashimi is risky because it's expected that raw food can have a risk. And many places are required to post if there is the possibility of chemicals/substances around that have some risk. Same rule could've just been applied to cigarettes. Or simply require a sign that says "This is a smoking establishment."  |  IP: Logged Chad Souder Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 962 From: Waterloo, IA, USA Registered: Feb 2000 posted 03-06-2010 04:59 PM                     Class action lawsuits are being carefully formed by business owners and (and big tobacco is surely helping) against government bans claiming lost revenue. A group of bar owners here in Iowa have been carefully documenting revenue since our smoking ban was put into affect. They are losing gobs of money from not selling cigarettes at the bar, smokers going outside to smoke instead of staying inside and drinking, utility cost increases from the doors being opened more frequently and all the extra heat being created in the winter by burning cigarettes, and bartenders having to go outside to smoke, thus leaving customers with empty glasses. Personally I hope they win and the law gets overturned. There are bars around here that were non-smoking before the ban. They are nice places that did great business.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-07-2010 12:42 AM                        quote: Chad Souder Class action lawsuits are being carefully formed by business owners and (and big tobacco is surely helping) against government bans claiming lost revenue. There is absolutely nothing more important than money. Not even your mom. You may think you love her, but trust me, money matters more to the world. It is more powerful than any individual, nation or even the entire world itself, even though it's value is completely imagined. It is only valuable because we say it is.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-07-2010 11:32 AM                        quote: Chad Souder Class action lawsuits are being carefully formed by business owners and (and big tobacco is surely helping) against government bans claiming lost revenue. That'll never go anywhere. In most places the smoking bans were voted-in by the people; and if they weren't, and get overturned by some lawsuit, the law-makers can just run an election and the 80% of the public which doesn't smoke would vote the ban right back in.  |  IP: Logged Chad Souder Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 962 From: Waterloo, IA, USA Registered: Feb 2000 posted 03-11-2010 05:59 PM                     I can't speak for all states, but in Iowa there was no vote. Oddly enough, according to polling, a great number of non-smokers are either apathetic or solidly against smoking bans in bars. I would guess they simply oppose the idea of a legal activity being banned in a private business that people have the option of patronizing.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-11-2010 06:23 PM                     Oklahoma is getting pretty close to banning the use of all tobacco products (including dip, snuff, etc.) from state funded college campuses. One state lawmaker and a former Oklahoma State University President wrote an amendment attached on current legislation. The proposed law would also make it possible for violators to be fined. Some schools in Oklahoma have already banned tobacco use on campus. Second hand smoke gets most of the headlines, but the issue of cleaning up after tobacco users is a growing concern. Cigarette butts and brown tobacco juice spit wherever does create a mess. Here in Oklahoma, discarded cigarettes (often thrown from vehicles) start a significant number of wild fires.  |  IP: Logged David Favel Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 764 From: Ashburton, New Zealand Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-11-2010 06:37 PM                     Smoker, and loving it.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-11-2010 09:46 PM                     Yes I still am a smoker this is the only propper way to eq a room  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-12-2010 12:03 AM                        LOL @ Sherlock Holmes pipe.  |  IP: Logged Manny Montes Master Film Handler Posts: 270 From: United States Registered: Feb 2010 posted 03-12-2010 12:24 AM                     I am digging the pipe! Here in Florida we do have a ban on smoking indoors (except on indian gaming land and casinos). A bar can apply to have smoking indoors, but only in the bar area, and I believe a large majority of their sales must come from alcohol. Though most bars/restaurants have not done this as many people enjoy the ban. As a smoker, if I want a smoke I'd always go outside anyway out of courtesy. The bartender doesn't need to inhale my smoke, and neither do fellow patrons. I would go outside, smoke and go back in, or I'd just wait until after I finished eating. Also the legislation was on the ballot, so in Florida it was voted on, which is probably why it isn't a huge "debate" over here.  |  IP: Logged Sean McKinnon Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1712 From: Peabody Massachusetts Registered: Sep 2000 posted 03-12-2010 12:22 PM                        one thing I think I should add is that in Massachusetts private clubs are still allowed to have smoking. So a lot of people who like to go to bars and smoke while they drink have joined thier neighborhood A.O.H., V.F.W., K.O.C, P.L.A.V. etc... I have heard from a few people that the smoking ban was a boon for private clubs and is even credited with saving a few local chapters!  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 04-13-2010 05:42 PM                     Let me try to get this straight; smoking bans are good because it is the only way to force casinos to be non smoking so non smokers (who seem to also be non gamblers) can go to the casinos and not gamble but breath clean air? I don't smoke and I am 100% against smoking bans. Not because I enjoy going to smoke filled places but because I believe it is the proprietor's place to make that decision, not the government's. You can argue this point or that point, but that is all peripheral as far as I am concerned. All the non-smoker arguments can be flipped around anyway. You don't want to go see your favorite band because some other people cant go a few hours without smoking? Boo hoo! You can either go a few hours and deal with it or not go. It is that simple. It is easy to say you are ok with banning something that you don't like, but there is a ratcheting effect to government intervention, it only goes one way and eventually something you enjoy will be on the radar. I hate velveeta "cheese" and I wish more than anything that it would go away, but I am not going to support a ban on it. One thing that I have always found interesting is how smoking has never been a major target of the environmentalists. Cigarettes are a major major contributor of greenhouses gases, methane mostly which is way worse than C02. I understand that smoking is starting to become less accepted in the liberal doctrine, but I guess not enough to make them go after smokers and leave decent hard working meat eaters alone. And vegans are pansies, that is just something one must accept when choosing to be vegan, tough titty. I wonder about the effects of veganism on the evolution of humanity. Human evolution was spurred by the invention of cooking and eating meat. The likelihood of any evolutionary change is slim because no matter how much you try to brainwash your kids, they will probably eat meat anyway because it is good. Or simply because women are not attracted to guys that weigh less than 100lbs and they don't ever get laid.  |  IP: Logged Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 04-13-2010 05:49 PM                     If humans were designed to be vegans, then why are cows made of meat?  |  IP: Logged

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