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Topic: Reports of shooting at Batman Premier.
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Lyle Romer
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From: Davie, FL, USA
Registered: May 2002
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posted 09-13-2012 05:54 PM
quote: Edward Havens
That's justifiable gun ownership, and that's what I am for. I am not an anti-gun nut. I am for justifiable gun ownership.
Why is it not justifiable for me to own a gun to protect my home and family? Don't say that is the job of the police becuase I have had experiences calling the police when dangerous situations are about to occur and they NEVER arrive before an incident takes place. What you deem justifiable is your opinion.
quote: Edward Havens
Want to get a gun in Sydney? It's going to take some effect.
Austrailia is not a good example since it is an Island. If guns were ever banned in the US there would be plenty of guns coming up through Mexico and other Latin American countries. What is the gun murder rate in Switzerland? A huge percentage of their population owns guns (a ton being assault weapons). Guns are not the problem, bad people are.
quote: Edward Havens
Why do 300,000,000 Americans needs 260,000,000-280,000,000 guns anyway? What foreign threat has Twin Falls ID or Rogers AR seen since those states joined the Union?
As stated by none other than rapper turned actor Ice-T, it isn't foreign threats that are the issue. The 2nd amendment protects the people from a tyrannical governement. I know it is unlikely but a President could just declare himself dicatator and if he had military support could remain in power.
quote: Edward Havens
The Second Amendment has been so bastardized by the pro-gun lobbies that even the Supreme Court has ruled the word "militia" in the Second Amendment is for all intent and purpose meaningless in this discussion.
It doesn't need to be bastardised. It doesn't matter what the justification part of the amendment says. The 2nd amendment clearly states "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".
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Edward Havens
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From: Los Angeles, CA
Registered: Mar 2008
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posted 09-14-2012 12:27 PM
quote: Lyle Romer
It doesn't need to be bastardised. It doesn't matter what the justification part of the amendment says. The 2nd amendment clearly states "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".
No, what the Second Amendment says is "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." If you're going to quote the Second Amendment, you quote the whole thing, not take a portion of it out of context.
quote: Lyle Romer
What is the gun murder rate in Switzerland? A huge percentage of their population owns guns (a ton being assault weapons).
You know what, you just proved my point. Thank you.
Switzerland doesn't have a standing army, opting for a people's militia to defend their country. Those guns, including a ton being assault rifles, are part of the country's laws about being conscripted in to the militia. Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (often the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home.
And that is what the American Second Amendment was supposed to be about.
It should also be noted that when their period of service has ended, Swiss militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment. And if the former militiaman chooses to keep their rifle firearm, it is sent to the weapons factory where the fully automatic function is removed before being returned to the discharged owner, a semi-automatic or self-loading rifle.
It should also be noted that there are only about 1.5-3m guns in Switzerland for a population of 7.6m, including the guns that are required by law to be held for militia purposes, a far less ratio of guns per person than the United States.
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Edward Havens
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posted 09-14-2012 04:59 PM
For me, a militia is what you have when one do not have what we have in a standing Armed Forces (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines). A militia is like our National Guard when one do not have what we have in a standing Armed Forces. The National Guard is a well regulated militia. A bunch of random people who do not belong to the National Guard or any of the Armed Forces are not a well regulated militia.
I can see owning a firearm like a hunting rifle, if you live out in the middle of Colorado or Wyoming and regularly use it to hunt game for sustenance. I can see owning a firearm like an assault rifle if you are an active member of one of our Armed Forces or the National Guard. I can see owning a firearm if you are a police officer, a licensed security officer or a member of a governmental unit like the FBI or the CIA or the Secret Service that would require the carrying of a firearm in the line of duty. Those are justifiable reasons for gun ownership.
"I need a gun because there are bad people out there with guns" is not a justifiable reason, and ignores the bigger problems of society. We know why there are bad people out there with guns, and until we fix those problems, we'll never be able to fix our gun issues. Sadly, I see the end of the American Empire before that happens.
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Edward Havens
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posted 09-14-2012 11:59 PM
Joey, I lived in Longmont and Berthoud for a while, so I know how nutty Colorado people are for their guns. But believe it or not, there are other weapons of defense besides firearms.
But if someone was raping my daughter, I'd grab my baseball bat and smash him in the back, since, you know, most of his focus is going to be facing my daughter. And then once he was off my daughter, I'd bash his head in. And if my baseball bat wasn't close enough, I'd use my Ray Bourque-signed hockey stick. Or a knife. Or a guitar.
If the same guy was trying to rape my wife, he's probably be dead by her hand before I could intervene. When we were living in Brooklyn about ten years ago, some guy tried to mug her when she got off the subway train. She pulled the stake she keeps in her purse (yes, she keeps a stake in her purse), and the guy ran. Anyone stupid enough to try something bad with her deserves the hell they'll get from her. One of the reasons I married her.
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Gerard S. Cohen
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From: Forest Hills, NY, USA
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 09-15-2012 04:07 PM
Not to minimize rapists, but what about little children?
Parents' magazines caution urban parents arranging play dates for their kids, to contact the parents and inquire whether they keep firearms in their home. I read one account of a little kid who climbed on a chair to reach a loaded gun on the top of the fridge to show it to his playmates. In their play the gun discharged, killing the playmate. Of course, local regs require
lockboxes, trigger locks, etc. and responsible gun owners know better than to leave a gun unsecured. But those who keep guns out of fear seem to need them loaded and on their persons or under their pillow at all times. There must be gadzillions of unsecured guns and seemingly whole populations of people with neurotic fears, afraid of sexual intruders, here in the "home of the brave."
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