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Randy Stankey
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Tasteless jokes in the face of tragedy can be a way for people to express fear, sadness and disappointment.

For example:
What does "NASA" stand for? "Need another seven astronauts!"

It's a form of catharsis.

However, the joke needs to hit the mark instantly in order to be funny. Most of these tasteless jokes are often one-liners.

That's why Dane Cook's joke failed. It took too long to set up.

If he had said, "That movie was so bad I watched it for 25 minutes and thought, "Somebody just shoot me," it would have been better... not good... just better than it was.

Also, tasteless jokes are best told in private. A comedy club is not the venue for this joke.

If Cook was a good comedian he would have thought better of telling this joke.

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Ron Funderburg
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quote: Peter Howard
Why? Seems to me it's readily seperate-able.
The law in Australia is that if someone's invading your home and threatening you and/or your family THEN you have a form of legal protection to use appropriate force. But if you're just being carjacked, you dont have the right to pull a gun and blow them away..... just give up the car dammit, and let the cops handle it.
I guess that is where our countries differ laws in conflict with the constitution and amendments there of don't stand up. They are not "Constitutional". The Second Amendment is all or nothing and has not been repealed. If you can pick and chose what parts of your constitution apply and drop of what you don't like more power to you. We can't do that. I wouldn't want it any other way!

If your life is threatened in a car jacking you certainly have right to defend yourself. The car jacker points a gun at me and says get out I will. If just points the gun and seems to be threatening me I probably will fight for the gun. I don't have a carry permit so I don't carry a gun. I have them in home though.

As this is turning political I will now shut up on it! [Smile]

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Mike Blakesley
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I finally got around to watching that Dane Cook video. He is still as unfunny as I remember.

Of course I had to watch that whole intro to see why it was so annoying. Yep, it definitely is.

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Michael Brown
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FRinally got to see DKR at our competition. They will still showing the 'Gangster Squad' trailer. We were told to pull it. Easy to see why. The finall scene in the trailer is a bunch of gangsters going into a cinema auditoriun and shooting it up....whoops [Eek!] [Eek!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWF5ZLvZigQ

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Mike Blakesley
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One statistic you never seem to see is how often a gun-toting bad guy is successfully defeated by a gun-toting good guy. My guess is that many legal gun owners might be real good on the practice range, but when confronted with a bad guy in a dark room or a noisy, fast-moving, crazy situation they could be more likely to injure an innocent party than the bad guy is.

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Ron Funderburg
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Mike there is a lot of difference when a target shoots back. Not that I know that from experience. And even if I had I don't think this is a place to discuss that! [Smile]

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Mike Blakesley
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I'm just saying that nobody, not even real gun fans, knows for sure how they will behave the first time they're faced with a guy shooting up a room. For example they won't have time to aim, like they do on the calm, controlled practice range.

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Ron Funderburg
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No one would know how they would react to that type of situation. When others are there to be hurt you have to be more careful with aim not less, no matter how much you want to rush.

The only open place to shoot on the theater shooter and be certain of hurting him, (I think he is name was James but really would rather not say it) was his face. You might knock him down with a big caliber but the only unprotected part was his face.

No one had a gun in the theater, no off duty cop there to save the day. Those that might have had CWP's respected the theater policies.

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Chad Souder
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Holmes wasn't wearing a ballistic vest, he was wearing a tactical vest. This was one of many things reported incorrectly by the media - probably because they don't know the difference. Here is a link to what he was wearing i.e. his actual order.

http://www.9news.com/news/photo-gallery.aspx?storyid=279073

Even if he had been wearing ballistic "body armor" as was reported, this stuff isn't some impermeable exoskeleton that allows you to walk around while bullets bounce off. It really hurts to be shot while wearing a "bullet proof" vest. They distribute the energy of the bullet over a wider area so they don't penetrate and kill, but they often result in cracked ribs, severe bruising, etc. Make no mistake, had someone shot him, he would have felt it.

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Brad Miller
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quote: Mike Blakesley
My guess is that many legal gun owners might be real good on the practice range, but when confronted with a bad guy in a dark room or a noisy, fast-moving, crazy situation they could be more likely to injure an innocent party than the bad guy is.
The guy I worked with would intentionally startle the trainees and rattle their nerves for this very reason.

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Ron Funderburg
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Like I said in several post you could knock him off his feet as long as you had a 357 or larger just shooting in the body. If you wanted a kill shot you would have to go for the face. I'm not sure looking at someone if I could tell what kind of vest they had in a darkened theater.

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Mike Blakesley
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Are you kidding?

- A dark theatre (showing a dark movie, incidentally)
- Screaming people, many standing and running
- Tear gas and/or smoke in the air
- A moving target (which is actively firing with automatic weapons)
- A completely unexpected situation

Given all these things, do you seriously believe a gun-toting amateur good guy would have the time to be able to get his gun out, calmly take aim, and be able to take the bad guy out without hurting any innocent people? I'm beginning to understand the term "gun nuts."

Maybe an off-duty cop or a military veteran could pull it off, but other than that? I'd have serious doubts. You're far more likely to have a good guy who starts firing wildly in the general direction of the bad guy and winds up taking out a couple of kids.

The only "advantage" to having audience members "carrying" would be in the area of deterrence. If I was planning to shoot up a place, I'd probably be less inclined if I thought maybe a few of the people in there were packing. But then, if I'm planning to shoot up a place I'm probably crazy, so how much logic should I be expected to have?

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Ron Funderburg
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Mike I have never said I was talking about an untrained amateur. I have stressed how difficult it would be and that you don't know if you can even pull that trigger until you are in that situation. Wile I agree with people having CCW's I don't think the average person with a CCW would be equipped either in training or emotionally for what would need to be done. I was just saying that it could be done.

I wish there had been an off duty cop there.

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Chad Souder
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quote: Mike Blakesley
You're far more likely to have a good guy who starts firing wildly in the general direction of the bad guy and winds up taking out a couple of kids.
Oh that is such a load of crap. Why are you "far more likely?" You're acting like someone would duck down behind seats and just start firing away over the top blindly. People who legally carry assume the responsibility that comes with that choice and part of that responsibility is being certain of your target. While you may never be able to prepare yourself for that exact situation, you know enough to not shoot unless you are certain. I have confidence that the great majority of gun owners, including those on this forum like Brad, Bobby, Randy and others, have this kind of discipline even under stress. You don't?

quote: Ron Funderburg
If you wanted a kill shot you would have to go for the face
You never "want" a kill shot. You want a stop shot, which is always center mass. Like I said, even if it had been a ballistic vest, a bullet to the chest can knock the wind out of you, break a rib, cause an irregular heartbeat, or just generally hurt a whole lot. And in this case, that center mass hit could very well have killed him.

Here is a video of what a redneck getting shot while wearing a "bullet proof" vest looks like if you're interested http://m.youtube.com/?reload=2&rdm=m84j1ond#/watch?v=ZnkYN_4XZhI

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Victor Liorentas
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Mind you,if he had been taken out,many others may have died at his apartment building in the explosion.
Assuming the police were that careful with his apartment because he told them it was rigged to blow.
At a 12 plex I worked at here,an alarm would have gone off plus they have cameras at every exit.

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