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Topic: Reports of shooting at Batman Premier.
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Andrew Peter Chobaniuk
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From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 07-22-2012 08:17 AM
Few parts to my post, but first a question, was this door not alarmed?
In my previous work at a theatre our doors were alarmed and a propped open door would have been investigated immediately to be secured. Sadly this provision was not just to prevent people sneaking in for a free movie. The theatre was Esplanade 6 in North Vancouver, BC and in 1997, years before I worked there, a man was murdered in auditorium 4 when an assailant entered through the exit door. Thankfully it was related to drugs and no innocent people were harmed. But you can see why we treated security seriously.
So it makes me wonder that if this theatre was alarmed why was it not investigated in a timely manner, that's a critical error that falls to theatre staff. If it wasn't alarmed I ask why in the hell not???
Either way, Security at exit doors will be paramount after this tragedy.
Not to get into a political debate, but I just will never ever understand the American obsession with firearms, it's just in no way part of Canadian culture.
Some background Info:
"Mirhadi, 21 and an alleged member of the Persian Pride gang, was gunned down Feb. 28, 1997 at the Esplanade 6 theatre in North Vancouver during a screening of the gangster movie Donnie Brasco."
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=6deea149-7708-49b1-acf7-1820975daab5
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Frank Angel
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From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 07-22-2012 12:00 PM
To the best of my knowledge, there is no regulations requiring theatres or any public gathering place to have exit doors alarmed. Yes, they are required never to be locked and they have to OPEN just by pushing on them, but they don't need to be alarmed. The alarm is primarily put in by the owner in order to prevent people from using those door for anything but emergencies and it's at their discression. As you say, that might change from here on out.
As for the gun culture in the USA, it comes from the fact that we used them freely and pretty much out in the open -- none of this wussy "consealed" business -- they were worn on the hip; it was how we kept law and order in the early days. You didn't mess with someone who had a gun strapped to his leg.
And then let's not overlook that we needed guns aplenty to murder the native inhabitants when got here and usurp their land; you can't invade, plunder and commit genocide without guns.
BTW, yes, you need a license to carry a consealed weapon; does anyone know if you can carry a gun that is not consealed, as in wild west style worn outside? Why do they keep talking about "consealed weapons;" don't you need a license to carry ANY gun? And if you have a license, can you carry the weapon wild west style, walking around with it strapped to your waist? Bet that would be more of a deterrent than hiding it under your pant leg on your calf.
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Frank Cox
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From: Melville Saskatchewan Canada
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted 07-23-2012 05:13 PM
Police: Waterfront fight during 'Dark Knight Rises' began with rude child
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Police: Waterfront fight during 'Dark Knight Rises' began with rude child
July 23, 2012 12:39 pm
July 22: Fight breaks out at West Homestead theater during 'The Dark Knight Rises' showing
By Sadie Gurman / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
A man faces a string of criminal charges stemming from a Sunday fight that sent an audience watching "The Dark Knight Rises" at The Waterfront scrambling for the exits, though police said the scuffle had nothing to do with the Batman sequel nor with last week's violence during a screening in Colorado.
Instead, officers said, the violence began in a bathroom, where a child knocked on the door of a stall and a man inside repeatedly told him it was occupied.
The child swore at the man, who became offended and confronted the boy's mother, at one point punching her in the face, police said.
As the argument escalated, someone shouted "Gun!" which produced a panic, police said.
Movie-goers, perhaps jittery after 12 people were killed and dozens of others were wounded during a showing of the Batman movie in Aurora, Colo., dashed for the doors.
The man, 51, whose name police would not immediately release, will be charged with simple assault, disorderly conduct and harassment.
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Hillary Charles
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From: York, PA, USA
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 07-23-2012 07:36 PM
quote: Frank Angel
BTW, yes, you need a license to carry a consealed weapon; does anyone know if you can carry a gun that is not consealed, as in wild west style worn outside? Why do they keep talking about "consealed weapons;" don't you need a license to carry ANY gun? And if you have a license, can you carry the weapon wild west style, walking around with it strapped to your waist? Bet that would be more of a deterrent than hiding it under your pant leg on your calf.
Frank, here in Pennsylvania, the firearms carry permit doesn't mention anything about concealing. We are allowed to carry out in the open, and one local frequently makes public appearance with his sidearm prominently holstered. It tends to cause a stir at city council meetings(!) but there is nothing illegal about it. Most carry concealed in order to prevent that kind of excitement.
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Randy Stankey
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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 07-23-2012 09:54 PM
quote: Hillary Charles
We are allowed to carry out in the open, and one local frequently makes public appearance with his sidearm prominently holstered.
Pennsylvania is an "Open Carry" state but with provisions: http://paopencarry.org/
Any law abiding adult is allowed to carry a loaded handgun in public, without need of a permit, if it is holstered in plain sight.
However, making threats or committing "threatening acts" will get you in trouble. Some localities within the state may have laws or ordinances which limit open carry and there are specific areas where carrying a gun is specifically forbidden: First Class cities, (a city with more than 1,000,000 population - Philadelphia being the only one in PA) schools, courtrooms, federal property, state parks and air terminals are all off limits.
Personally, I do not have a concealed carry permit nor do I intend to volunteer my name to be placed on any government list of people who own guns. Since Pennsylvania is an open carry state, I can carry a gun anywhere I think it is necessary to do so but, being a white male, six feet tall and weighing nearly 20 stone, I don't often feel the need. Most of the time, if I think a gun is necessary, I just won't go to that place but there have been occasions where I had to go some place where I thought it might be necessary and I have worn a gun. (e.g. My wife's car broke down in a bad neighborhood and I had to go pick her up. I told her to stay in the car, lock the doors and wait for me.)
As far as I am concerned, the joker who committed this crime did so with premeditation and with grave malice. He used tear gas bombs in the theater and he booby trapped his apartment with explosives and incendiary devices. He knew what he was doing and the use of guns was merely incidental to the crime.
While I share my sympathies with those who were hurt of killed and their families, I am still quite angry at this kid for doing what he did but, moreover, I fell bad that we didn't give this kid the help he needed. Not just the "you need help" kind of help but the overall, general support that members of a community need to share with each other.
Violence in the media is one thing but when a community marginalizes some people because of petty differences it breeds people like this. Some people may be mentally ill (and need "that kind of help") but I think the majority of these people are suffering through emotional bumps in the road which could be overcome if friends, neighbors and peers would simply offer support.
You don't have to be best buddies with everybody. You don't have to be your brother's keeper. Just a pat on the shoulder and a few minutes of understanding conversation can often go a long way. I take this from personal experience. Just being able to talk to somebody can really help get your head out of the clouds.
On the other hand, if this kid really was as loopy as he looks in his picture, somebody should have been there to throw a net over him before he got so far out in left field.
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