Film-Tech Cinema Systems
Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE


  
my profile | my password | search | faq & rules | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE   » Community   » Film-Yak   » The Master (2012) 70mm prints? (Page 2)

 
This topic comprises 7 pages: 1  2  3  4  5  6  7 
 
Author Topic: The Master (2012) 70mm prints?
Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 08-23-2012 08:50 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
They don't run theatre #1 for matinées on the weekdays...just the smaller theatres. Personally, I would recommend that they run theatre #1 for the run and skip the 35mm.

 |  IP: Logged

Sam D. Chavez
Film God

Posts: 2153
From: Martinez, CA USA
Registered: Aug 2003


 - posted 08-23-2012 11:11 PM      Profile for Sam D. Chavez   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was asked to cut 1.85 70mm plates for this earlier this week at the Castro SF. Took forever due to keystone.

I'm informed every 70mm engagement will require plates despite it's hard matted 1.85.

Just when you thought film was gone it comes back bigger than ever.

 |  IP: Logged

Victor Liorentas
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 800
From: london ontario canada
Registered: May 2009


 - posted 08-23-2012 11:46 PM      Profile for Victor Liorentas   Email Victor Liorentas   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Why would he shoot in 70mm at 1.85.1 ?
Strange...

 |  IP: Logged

Edward Havens
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 614
From: Los Angeles, CA
Registered: Mar 2008


 - posted 08-24-2012 12:54 AM      Profile for Edward Havens   Email Edward Havens   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
He only shot a portion of the film in 70mm, just as Chris Nolan only shot a portion of Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises in 15/70.

 |  IP: Logged

Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 08-24-2012 06:03 AM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Fortunately, the AFI/Silver always had 70mm 1.85 plates (planned for that in advance) and have used them for such titles as Playtime.

Aspect ratio and film format have nothing to do with each other. There is no reason one can not shoot in 65mm with a ratio of 1.85 or 1.37 or whatever. Sir David Lean was going to shoot Nostromo in 65mm with a 1.85 ratio too. It is all a matter of what the desired look of the image and how they were going to compose the frame. Certainly, Sir David Lean knew how to shoot in "Scope" if thought that would be the better format.

 |  IP: Logged

Scott Norwood
Film God

Posts: 8146
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 08-24-2012 06:46 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Will there be any mag prints, are are all of them DTS?

 |  IP: Logged

Victor Liorentas
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 800
From: london ontario canada
Registered: May 2009


 - posted 08-24-2012 10:36 AM      Profile for Victor Liorentas   Email Victor Liorentas   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If 1.85.1 is Paul Thomas Andersons preferred choice than great but it seems strange because all his other movies shot on 35mm were scope.
He clearly wants to have his film shown in 70mm and does not mind wasting part of the 70mm frame.
Of all his films it's this one he chose to shoot flat and some 70mm to boot.
Nothing wrong with it but it makes me wonder why?

 |  IP: Logged

Victor Liorentas
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 800
From: london ontario canada
Registered: May 2009


 - posted 08-24-2012 01:39 PM      Profile for Victor Liorentas   Email Victor Liorentas   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/movies/article/1246324--size-matters-to-p-t-anderson-christopher-nolan-howell



To read some of the early reviews for The Master, Paul Thomas Anderson’s TIFF-bound film of primal emotions, you’d almost think a love affair had erupted.

The most ardent raves aren’t necessarily for Anderson, although he has his legions of admirers, or for his epic film, which stars Joaquin Phoenix, Philip Seymour Hoffman and Amy Adams in roles that reportedly beckon awards attention.

The valentines are for Anderson’s provocative use of honest-to-gosh celluloid film, blown up to 70mm frame size instead of the standard 35mm.

“The effect is cumulative, and ultimately shattering,” writes Cameron Bailey, TIFF’s artistic director, in the festival’s program book. (The Master is scheduled to make its official North American debut at the fest, Sept. 7 at Toronto’s Princess of Wales theatre.)

Michael Phillips, movie critic for the Chicago Tribune, caught a sneak preview of The Master last week, and wrote that the 70mm film experience was better than “the latest in digital filmmaking or digital projection or digital anything. This was celluloid, the good old stuff.”

These reactions are typical, recalling the affection rock fans hold for the warmer sound of vinyl LPs over digital CDs. But the mad love just seems to have come out of the blue.

Anderson is choosing 70mm and celluloid at a time when the movie industry is going the other way, shooting and exhibiting digitally and showing films on screens that run as small as iPhones. Celluloid is expected to vanish from North American multiplexes as early as next year, making old-style film extinct for all but the most ardent of cinephiles and specialty theatres like Toronto’s TIFF Bell Lightbox.

Whether intended or not, California’s Anderson is helping to lead the charge back to embrace film, and in as big a format as possible. He has an ally in Britain’s Christopher Nolan, the director of The Dark Knight Rises, who shot nearly half of his new Batman movie on IMAX film, a variant of 70mm.

Is it genuine affection by Anderson for a fading medium, or a raised digit towards the digital revolution?

It’s probably a bit of both — Anderson hasn’t really said — but affection would seem the more likely motivator. Anderson loves the visual freedoms of cinema, and he’s an unabashed enthusiast for such big-screen visionaries as Terrence Malick and the late Stanley Kubrick.

“Paul is one of the last directors still shooting on film,” says Cory Everett, who along with friend C.J. Wallis runs an authoritative Anderson fan blog called Cigarettes & Red Vines.

“He loves film, he’s passionate about it and he doesn’t appear willing to sacrifice the quality of the image for the convenience of shooting digitally. And there is no better quality filmed image than 70mm. It’s truly breathtaking and that has nothing to do with the size of the screen. The image is just noticeably sharper than 35mm.”

Jesse Wente, the head of film programs at TIFF Bell Lightbox, thinks the 70mm revival is part of an effort by filmmakers, studios and exhibitors to keep the theatrical experience special.

“I think it’s much in the same way as we’ve seen a revived interest in 3D, although on a somewhat lesser scale,” Wente says.

“There’s such pressure on the theatrical experience, the in-cinema experience, just from all the different formats that are out there. One way to distinguish it is to have a format that cannot be replicated on any other medium. And one cannot have 70mm at home.”

The Lightbox has been able to surf the wave, since it is equipped to handle almost any movie format in existence, including 70mm. Since the Lightbox opened in the fall of 2010, programmers have found strong audience appeal for 70mm presentations of such classics as Kubrick’s Spartacus and 2001: A Space Odyssey, David Lean’s Lawrence of Arabia and Jacques Tati’s Playtime. The Lightbox will finish its summer season with 70mm screenings Aug. 31-Sept. 2 of Playtime. The fall will bring 70mm screenings of Ron Fricke’s visual voyage Samsara at the venue, planned for October.

Toronto is becoming a stronghold of 70mm cinema, Wente says, both by accident and design. The old York Cinemas on Eglinton Ave. used to feature many 70mm screenings, and the prints ended up in the hands of TIFF.

“Many of those prints stuck around, and all of them are in surprisingly good shape. So when we did Spartacus, that was the same print that closed the York Cinemas back then. Because we have a real theatrical 70mm venue, it has helped sustain 70mm as a practical current theatrical medium.”

There’s real demand out there for a 70mm film, and a growing belief that large-format celluloid is superior to large-format digital productions, even digital projections shown on giant IMAX screens or in 3D.

There’s also a sense with 70mm of continuing a big-screen tradition that actually dates back to early experiments in the 1890s, the dawn of film.

“People want to see it and I love programming it,” Wente said.

“We try to do it a couple times a year. Because of the technical requirements it takes some planning, and you always want to pick the right movie. There are only so many of them out there, and maybe that’s part of the attraction.”

A 70mm primer on Cigarettes & Red Vines notes that the last feature film to be shot entirely on 70mm celluloid, prior to The Master, was Kenneth Branagh’s Hamlet in 1996.

That’s 16 years ago. It’s hard to say whether any movies will be shot in 70mm 16 years from now, or even if celluloid motion pictures will still exist outside of museums or a handful of arthouses.

The future will bring what it does, as it always does. But for the moment, movie lovers are reveling big-time in connecting with the past.

Follow on Twitter: @peterhowellfilm

 |  IP: Logged

Claude S. Ayakawa
Film God

Posts: 2738
From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA
Registered: Aug 2002


 - posted 08-24-2012 03:25 PM      Profile for Claude S. Ayakawa   Author's Homepage   Email Claude S. Ayakawa   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If a 70mm print can be made available to Consolidated Kahala #1 here in Honolulu, that will be fantastic. The house is Hawaii's only remaining 70mm theatre and will be the perfect venue for THE MASTER because it has a DTS processor and the theatre complex plays art as well as mainstream first run movies.

-Claude

 |  IP: Logged

Daniel Schulz
Master Film Handler

Posts: 387
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Registered: Sep 2003


 - posted 08-24-2012 03:26 PM      Profile for Daniel Schulz   Author's Homepage   Email Daniel Schulz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Scott - there are no mag prints, all of the 70mm prints are using Datasat Digital Sound.

 |  IP: Logged

Michael Marini
Film Handler

Posts: 27
From: issue maryland/ USA
Registered: Dec 2005


 - posted 08-24-2012 06:10 PM      Profile for Michael Marini   Email Michael Marini   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We have rentals in theatre one during the day that we already booked.

 |  IP: Logged

Paul Gordon
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 580
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Aug 2005


 - posted 08-26-2012 07:08 AM      Profile for Paul Gordon   Author's Homepage   Email Paul Gordon   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
24 Aug 2012
Toronto Star

The Lightbox has been able to surf the wave, since it is equipped to handle almost any movie format in existence, including 70mm. Since the Lightbox opened in the fall of 2010, programmers have found strong audience appeal for 70mm presentations of such classics as Kubrick’s Spartacus and 2001: A Space Odyssey, David Lean’s Lawrence of Arabia and Jacques Tati’s Playtime. The Lightbox will finish its summer season with 70mm screenings Aug. 31Sept. 2 of Playtime. The fall will bring 70mm screenings of Ron Fricke’s visual voyage Samsara at the venue, planned for October.

Follow on Twitter: @peterhowellfilm

TIFF says they will be playing Samsara in 70mm? did they make 70mm prints? I thought only 35mm and 4K

 |  IP: Logged

Scott Norwood
Film God

Posts: 8146
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 08-26-2012 08:31 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So, to summarize, we have the following 70mm special screenings:

8/3 - LA - Aero
8/16 - Chicago - Music Box
8/19 - NYC - MOMI
8/21 - SF - Castro
9/1 - Venice, Italy - Sala Grande Theatre, Palabiennale Theatre
9/7-9/16 - Toronto, Canada - TIFF Princess of Wales Theatre, TIFF Bell Lightbox 1

and the following 70mm engagements:

9/14 - NYC - Village East
9/14 - LA - Arclight
9/21 - Austin - Alamo Ritz
9/21 - Boston - Coolidge Corner
9/21 - Seattle - Guild 45th (unconfirmed)
9/21 - Oakland - Grand Lake
9/21 - Silver Spring - AFI Silver

source

I am personally familiar with Coolidge Corner and the AFI; both have good operators, and I am sure that both will put on a good show and not damage the prints. What about the other theatres? Alamo has a good reputation for film handling, as does Arclight. Are the other theatres listed also good?

What is the total print count? It would be at least five.

 |  IP: Logged

Mark Lensenmayer
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1605
From: Upper Arlington, OH
Registered: Sep 1999


 - posted 08-26-2012 10:09 AM      Profile for Mark Lensenmayer   Email Mark Lensenmayer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wexner Center for the Arts (Ohio State University) is trying to arrange a 70mm screening. They have the equipment and an experienced operator.

They just installed a 4K Barco in their booth...it would be very interesting to do a direct comparison of the 4K version of THE MASTER and 70mm.

 |  IP: Logged

Sean Weitzel
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 619
From: Vacaville, CA (1790 miles west of Rockwall)
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 08-26-2012 01:03 PM      Profile for Sean Weitzel   Email Sean Weitzel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Paul Gordon
TIFF says they will be playing Samsara in 70mm? did they make 70mm prints? I thought only 35mm and 4K
Mark Magidson Samsara producer says otherwise:
BarakaSamsara official site

quote: Samsara website posted:


Note from Mark Magidson on 70mm film, Digital Projection, and Samsara
August 23, 2012

All three of the films Ron and I have made have been photographed in 70mm (65mm negative), a process that has become more and more difficult as time has gone by for our kind of filmmaking due to security issues and the need to move film stock in and out of so many locations without it being X-rayed. We have employed this rarely used format because we have no actors or dialogue in our films, image is the main character. 70mm brings an unsurpassed emotional impact to the viewing experience. There is a beauty, immediacy, and level of detail within imagery captured in this venerable wide-screen format that is unique, and there is still no form of image capture that compares to 65mm negative. In addition there have been significant advances in film stocks with finer grain structure since the time we filmed BARAKA 20 years ago. When you’re going to 25 countries, you need to bring back the imagery in a format that is going to stand the test of time. All the outputs, from theatrical DCP, 35mm film prints, Blu-ray, DVD, and other digital formats will flow downstream from that foundation.

We have chosen to output SAMSARA to DCP for digital projection rather than creating 70mm film prints this time. There are many reasons for this, but the bottom line is we believe a digital output from the high res scan of our film negative yields the best possible viewing experience. It is a combination of using a 50-year-old camera system and cutting-edge digital technology that works for our kind of filmmaking. When we produced the Baraka Blu-ray in 2008, we were amazed at the level of detail that we obtained by undertaking an arduous, frame-by-frame, high-resolution scanning process at 8K resolution on Fotokem’s renowned Bigfoot scanner. The 8K file for the whole film came in at a massive size, in excess of 30 Terabytes. Dropping the output down to Blu-ray resolution, we were able to retain a level of detail that was beyond our wildest expectations, and the Baraka Blu-ray has been widely regarded as a reference-point disc for home viewing. It became clear that the benefits of capturing high-resolution imagery on the large 65mm negative were embedded in the digital file.

Using this approach in SAMSARA, but this time outputting to DCP for theatrical exhibition, was a great way to go for us, and the conversion of theaters to digital, and now 4K projection has been timely. We were also able to refine the imagery in the digital realm in a way we could not have done in film. We are not an effects film but we were able to do things like remove unwanted artifacts in shots that otherwise would have been rendered NG, such as a pixelated bird here or there in our time-lapse shots, negative scratches, or smooth bumps in some of the aerials. There are other benefits. Every theater gets a perfect first generation viewing "print". The reality of theatrical distribution is that film prints are inevitably scratched or damaged, get dirty, and experience widely variable projection conditions. Because there is not a mechanical component to film passing through a gate the image has a steadiness digitally that we do not get with film projection. Portraits, "eyeballs", as we call them, are such an important component of the content in SAMSARA. The resolution and fine detail from the scanned 65mm negative combined with the perfectly steady projection via DCP provides stunning intimacy.

Having produced three 70mm films over the last 25 years, two of them feature length, it is a new experience to bring SAMSARA out this way. I know there are many film lovers and purists, we are among them. I would simply say have a look at SAMSARA if you can on a big screen with a good bright digitally projected image and see what you think for yourself.

Mark Magidson
Producer/Co-writer/Co-editor/SAMSARA


 |  IP: Logged



All times are Central (GMT -6:00)
This topic comprises 7 pages: 1  2  3  4  5  6  7 
 
   Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic    next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:



Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.3.1.2

The Film-Tech Forums are designed for various members related to the cinema industry to express their opinions, viewpoints and testimonials on various products, services and events based upon speculation, personal knowledge and factual information through use, therefore all views represented here allow no liability upon the publishers of this web site and the owners of said views assume no liability for any ill will resulting from these postings. The posts made here are for educational as well as entertainment purposes and as such anyone viewing this portion of the website must accept these views as statements of the author of that opinion and agrees to release the authors from any and all liability.

© 1999-2020 Film-Tech Cinema Systems, LLC. All rights reserved.