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Author Topic: Gary Rydrstrom admits he has remixed Jurassic Park for the 3D release Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 04-06-2013 10:03 PM                     quote: Steve Guttag It was tuned for the Universal guys themselves...THEY set it as it was supposed to be. Would these be the same people who think a room needs to be tuned twice a day..? The following is a quote from this thread. quote: F. Hudson Miller Just for reference, our dub stages are done every morning and, if its mission critical, again mid-day. It is also reset every time we change procedures (from pre-dub to master to print master) or we change sound formats.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 04-07-2013 12:44 AM                     Are you sure it wasn't playing back in Dolby A?  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 04-07-2013 09:49 AM                     I call BS on this: quote: F. Hudson Miller Just for reference, our dub stages are done every morning and, if its mission critical, again mid-day. It is also reset every time we change procedures (from pre-dub to master to print master) or we change sound formats. Time is money in a dubbing stage and any facility that wastes that much time continually re-tuning the room cannot possibly be competent or cost-efficient. Can you imagine any screening room or cinema telling the clients/customers to wait as a B-Chain was done when switching from say a DTS to a Dolby Digital show? I CAN see it reasonable for a daily morning touch-up as varying conditions of temperature and humidity can have a subtle effect on the sound of a room (but then again, if it is air-conditioned then those should be at a relatively constant value anyways.) Honestly I think Mr. F threw that one out to try to defend his position.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-07-2013 01:35 PM                     Jurassic Park sounded awesome at the GCC Northpark #1 theater. The sub-bass was strong enough to move the air in my chest. Dialog was clear throughout. The dynamics were literally startling in a few spots. I guess that sort of thing annoys some viewers, but I think it's great. I watched JP at a couple other theaters in the Dallas area just to see how they handled DTS (not as good as the Northpark theater). I also watched it a couple times here in Lawton (optical analog both times). The Video Triple theater forgot to remove "the Digital Experience" trailer from the front of the movie; it played in basic stereo there. The Vaska had it in mono. Maybe I'm spoiled to the DTS track on Jurassic Park, as heard in the GCC Northpark theater. I watched it there maybe half a dozen times. The analog track kind of sucks by comparison. The T-Rex sequence, where it breaks out of its pen, really needs that very dynamic original 5.1 mix. The bass and dynamics are a big part of what sells that scene. When you listen to in plain optical analog the scene just isn't nearly as scary.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 04-07-2013 02:07 PM                     ^^ So true. After seeing it a number of times in DTS with THX at the GCC near my sister's place in Miami, I eventually checked it out in a theatre that was playing the analog tracks -- and that just confirmed everything for me right there. So...was GCC known for having good sound, or is this mere coincidence? Tony, I don't call BS on whether F's claim is TRUE or not. I call BS on whether it's NECESSARY. I think it's prima donna "I hear things nobody else hears" bullshit. (aka "job insecurity" bullshit.)  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 04-07-2013 02:54 PM                     George once said that sound is 50% of the experience. With Jurassic Park, I'd say it's nearly 75%. The CGI may be great, along with the animatronics. But without deep bass conveying the stomp of the T-Rex, the high pitched roar of a raptor, or even the fidelity of the John Williams' musical score, the movie is not nearly as exciting or engaging. AJG  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 04-07-2013 03:04 PM                     I'd go with 50% -- turn off the visuals and see what happens.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 04-07-2013 04:18 PM                     I'm such a geek I might actually try that... AJG  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Goeldner Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1360 From: Washington, District of Columbia Registered: Jun 2008 posted 04-08-2013 08:29 AM                     I saw this last night at Tysons on their IMAX-D screen ... and wow! just wow! aside from very (very) minor ghosting I thought the 3D conversion was excellent. The sound though, was a mixed bag - the surrounds seemed a little subdued, not by much, but it wasn't as assaultive as say 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' (IMAX-D, at the same theater). The T-rex roars raised the hair on my neck, but the one scene where the raptor breathes on the kitchen door window seemed dialed down and didn't have the punch that either the original theatrical mix or the DTS laserdisc has.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-09-2013 04:08 PM                        OK I just watched the T-Rex scene back-to-back on LaserDisc DTS (which according to Aaron is better than a handjob by God Himself) and the Blu-ray DTSHDMA 7.1 version (which according to Aaron is worse than committing suicide with a potato peeler). The DTS LaserDisc had a teeny bit more punch. The Blu-ray's surrounds were much more active. Both version's dialog sounded about the same to me and they both played with the receiver at the same volume level and sounded like they were being played back at the same level (ie: one wasn't quieter than the other). Both versions had subwoofer that pushed my chest but the DTS LaserDisc pushed it a touch more and wiggled some hairs as well. Neither seemed more harsh in the EQ than the other. So either both are near field mixes or neither are. The difference isn't as night and day as Aaron would have you believe, but the DTS LaserDisc IS the better of the two.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-09-2013 04:43 PM                     I never listened to the DTS Laserdisc version of Jurassic Park. I'm wondering how the Laserdisc compares to the "fixed" 2nd pressing of the Jurassic Park DTS DVD. I might expect some differences in music quality considering the DTS DVD is running at only half the bit rate of the LD track.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 04-09-2013 11:53 PM                     I think I find it night and day because I've seen the movie too many times and just overly familiar with the original mix. Anything else just sounds out of place. Most people will find it enjoyable, but from an historical perspective, it's still revisionist filmmaking. The DTS DVD was decent, just never had the same impact as the LD or the theatrical mix. AJG  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-10-2013 09:33 AM                     Are you talking about the fixed disc (the replacement DTS DVD Universal sent to customers after sending in their original DTS DVD)? There's no question the first DD and DTS DVDs of Jurassic Park were lacking in sub-bass.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 04-10-2013 11:36 AM                     The fixed DTS one. As far as I know the AC3 one never got a "fix". I've actually never heard the broken DTS DVD...I got the fixed one from the start. Again, it's ok and watchable, just not the same as the DTS/AC3 LaserDiscs and the original 6 track. And it always baffled me that a film so notorious for its sound would have these troubled releases. The LaserDiscs were all great, even the 2 channel PCM mixes were stellar for their time. AJG  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-10-2013 03:49 PM                        It's really interesting that there is a "fixed" version. This is not the only movie this has happened on. According to F, studios REALLY CARE about the home market. On such a high profile movie you would have thought they would catch such an error. But usually it's up to the consumer to do the bug testing on any product nowadays. It's hard for me to respect the professionalism of anyone who could overlook something like that before it was released.  |  IP: Logged

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