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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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quote: Mike Blakesley
It is definitely a fact that we on this board are much pickier than the average person. I have to keep telling myself that when some circumstance happens that drives me crazy, but most people don't even notice.
And that usually what I have noticed, those who work in certain industries usually notice or "know" things that regular folks would never know.

As for what people want to spend their money on and why has always been an interesting thing. Right now it seems that anything that allows a movie to be associated with "event" status such AVX, VIP, or D-Box seems to be the trend. Alcohol at the movies also seems to be quite popular around here. Discount theaters seem to be struggling.

quote: Martin McCaffery
Can you imagine the manager of a multiplex even trying to pull this off.
I once tried to complain to a theater manager about the masking and how they were showing scope on an open flat screen, the guy just looked at me with a blank stare and thought I was crazy.

I think if the chains did things the best way possible, they would see a 10% improvement on ticket sales and revenues. But the majority of people just don't care, they seem happy with what they are paying for.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Bobby Henderson
I think the real truth is most customers don't give enough of a shit to bother going out of their way to tell a theater manager about some nits they would like to pick about the show quality. Even fewer are going to bother going out of their way to tell the staff about what they really liked.
I think it's more about the combined experience over time. We're supposed to be "wowing" them every time. If they are continually underwhelmed, they might be satisfied with their show but increasingly not "wowed." People leaving with just a "that was OK" feeling, as opposed to a "WOW!" feeling, are more likely to decide to forego the experience the next time.

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Frank Cox
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I just now got an email from someone I've never heard of before stating that American Sniper is a great movie and the sound in my theatre does it justice.

So I'm pretty happy about that. [Smile]

I guess the glitch in the one scene didn't bother him.

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Buck Wilson
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quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
I once tried to complain to a theater manager about the masking and how they were showing scope on an open flat screen, the guy just looked at me with a blank stare and thought I was crazy.
This is the garbage that drives me crazy. It's a vicious circle really, a general dumbing down of the industry.

#1- New, under-paid, freshly promoted usher-to-manager fails to notice that the masking is in the wrong position.(How COULD he? Never properly trained, no one ever told him- he doesn't even know what masking is!)

#2- Customer immediately complains(during or right after show, same day) and 'manager' looks at him with a dumb look on his face, never looks into issue further(can't be bothered, doesn't know, doesn't care)

#3- Customer's expectations drop, why would he complain again if the "theater" doesn't seem to care and the problem continues? After all, It's not even his place to have to complain. Customer may or may not return...

#4- Theater suffers because that customer doesn't return(or at least not as often as he would have) and takes shortcuts like promoting underpaid staff, cheaper equipment, no masking to cover margins....... and there's the full circle.

You can apply this to nearly any problem. Especially if it saves the theater money. "Well, customers don't seem to care about of a lack of masking(Or curtains, tuned sound, fill-in-the-blank), so why install it?!" They never stop to consider the fact that they might in fact care, even if the customer doesn't know it. Again, it truly IS NOT the customers' job to know or care about masking or whatever else, it's part of the MAGIC that they EXPECT.

You'll hear constantly "They don't SEEM to care... "No one SEEMS to notice..." That's extremely dangerous. It's one thing in a one off instance like the skipping the fellow is trying to fix(promptly) but an entirely other thing when it affects business operations/plans/expectations etc...

The magic is leaving and the industry wonders why attendance is dropping.

Honestly, I don't get it. They're blind. They keep cutting corners thinking it's saving them money and increasing profits, BUT IT'S NOT. IT IS NOT WORKING.

quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
I think if the chains did things the best way possible, they would see a 10% improvement on ticket sales and revenues. But the majority of people just don't care, they seem happy with what they are paying for.
Agreed about the revenue boost, but I wouldn't say a majority don't care, but rather, they simply don't know what they're missing. And to me, that's truly heartbreaking.

I work at a standard cheap multiplex, and I am truly embarrassed to even sell tickets because I know the experience is sub par. But what can I do but sell with a smile on my face....

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Buck Wilson
'manager' looks at him with a dumb look on his face, never looks into issue further(can't be bothered, doesn't know, doesn't care)
Here's a big part of the problem right here. I wonder how many customer complaints never reach the ears or desk of someone who could actually do something about them? I wonder how many comments about the lack of masking have never gotten any further than the popcorn pusher in the lobby?

We tell all our employees, if anyone ever makes any kind of a negative comment OF ANY KIND they should tell us what the comment was, so we can work on a solution if possible.

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Buck Wilson
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I don't even KNOW of a desk of someone who could actually do something about it... let alone if they WOULD.

Granted things like masking will get fixed with my managers persistence, but even he has only so much say. Wouldn't at all be surprised if they were to say "Just get it into flat and leave it there"

We've had duct tape on our stair carpet for years, the seats are deplorable... The building was built in 2004.

You are in the minority and I give you huge kudos.

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Mike Blakesley
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See that's the problem... I'm just running what SHOULD be a normal theater here but I deserve "huge kudos?" That makes no sense. What's wrong with the owners in this industry?

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Buck Wilson
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There's a radio commercial for a local law firm here. It asks business owners "What is your goal running your business? If it's money, you'll eventually fail. If it's your customers, you'll eventually make money. Funny how that works [...]"

And that's what's wrong with the industry. It's all about the money and the shareholders, not the customers or the presentation. [Frown]

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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quote: Bobby Henderson
I think the real truth is most customers don't give enough of a shit to bother going out of their way to tell a theater manager about some nits they would like to pick about the show quality.
The public does notice. Most do not bother to complain, they just do not come back.

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David Buckley
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quote: Mike Blakesley
See that's the problem... I'm just running what SHOULD be a normal theater here but I deserve "huge kudos?"
And there's your problem right there, Mike: You give a fuck. That differentiates you from the operators of most cinemas across the world.

Film-tech remains no way representative of cinemas worldwide.

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Mark Hajducki
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One of the UK's large multiplex chains disconnected the masking when they converted to digital. This was a deliberate decision to reduce maintenance costs.

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Part of the problem with the management of most chains is that they are owned by venture capitalists who want short term profits, not a sustainable long term business.

By making "enhancements" (reducing staff hours and training, building maintenance, presentation quality, food quality etc.) whilst at the same time "revising" (increasing) prices they will make more money in the short term.

With the ever increasing challenge from home entertainment and other leisure activities there will become a point when customers are not prepared to pay a high amount for a substandard experience.

With a lot of films being TV quality and with the quality of a lot of TV/streaming content being cinema quality the days of the ever enlarging multiplex are probably coming to an end.

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Allan Young
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quote: Mark Hajducki
One of the UK's large multiplex chains disconnected the masking when they converted to digital. This was a deliberate decision to reduce maintenance costs.

I'm guessing this was Vue?

I complained to a Vue manager about the masking no longer being used and I got a puzzled look and the response "I've worked here for a year and a half and I've never heard of masking".

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Michael Brown
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Both Vue and Odeon quit using masking.

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Brad Miller
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I really wish some tv manufacturer would step up to the plate and make a nice big square television to where no format fit it properly and there was always extra white screen. That way consumers can experience that "large format eXperience" at home!

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Manny Montes
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I might be spoiled or something, but I've found that most cinemas in south florida (even multiplexes) actually have pretty decent service. What was sad was towards the end of film (and since AMC put "booth ushers") in place, film sucked. It flat out was an awful experience, so now that managers are on the floor and can focus on that, I think my overall experience at most theaters has actually gone up. With a few exceptions of course (sadly the mom&pop ones around here are the worst)

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