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Stephen Jones
Master Film Handler

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From: Geelong Victoria Australia
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 - posted 10-03-2000 06:43 AM      Profile for Stephen Jones   Email Stephen Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Frank I used to work for the same company a couple of years ago David was my boss also.The B11's that you mentioned,would you know where they came from?as I worked on a pair of B11's in Hobart at a single screen back in the late 80's.When theatre was closed they were removed and sent to Melbourne I wonder if they are the same projectors.They were very good to work with and very reliable.

Stephen

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Frank Prete
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 - posted 10-04-2000 03:16 AM      Profile for Frank Prete   Email Frank Prete   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Stephen,
Yeah, I think they were the machine from Hobart. They went on a Tour of Duty of the Head Office screening room until they where finally replaced with a pair of FP30's. when you had them did they have the Orcon lamphouses with internal rectifiers? That is a seriously cool design(...no doubt pitched at the home cinema market )

It seems that people generally have an aversion to the Cinemecannicas. Forgive my ignorance, but I've found them to be quite good. What are the things that you don't like? What would you change on them if you could???

Frank.

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Scott Norwood
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I think that, as others have said, we tend to have a preference for whatever equipment we started using. Thus, I have a distinct preference for Centurys (C and SA). My only experience with Cinemeccanicas is with V5s, which a lot of people seem to dislike.

Problems with the V5: it just feels "cheap" all over; Centurys feel solid. Threading takes longer on the V5s, while Centurys are easier/faster because the pad rollers pretty much set the loop sizes for you, making it harder to screw up. Similarly, it's easier to get the soundhead tension perfect on Centurys. The belts in the V5 aren't exactly the strongest things in the world and it's easy to screw up the shutter timing when replacing them. The V5's focus knob isn't exactly in the most convenient place, either. The Centurys that I've used also give a steadier picture than the V5s. The V5 changeover design is pretty weak and I've seen a couple of that often fail to open/close properly. The threading lamp is better on Centurys and it's possible to thread them in an otherwise totally dark booth; not so with the V5. Cinemeccanica parts are expensive in the US, while Century parts are generally cheap.

Good things about the V5: easy to clean, easy to keep oiled (but you need to open the gear side in order to find out if it needs oil...), lens turret is nice if you only need two formats, etc.

Perhaps the V8 and other Cinemeccanica models are better, but they're not common in the US. Century and Simplex seem to be the most popular machines here.

Note that I'm referring to pre-1970s (or so) Centurys here...I haven't worked with the later models, but apparently they went through a rough period at one time in the recent past.

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Brad Miller
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Best overall package in terms of reliability, performance, cost and not taking up more space than a stretch limo...

Century JJ (rock steady picture, very easy threading, very forgiving on poor threads, dual format 35/70, won't crack the foundatino and easy to move as well as service)

Christie SLC lamphouse (these babies crank light out, are extremely reliable and have a knack for getting extraordinary life span out of a Christie lamp. Alignment is also first rate without a hot spot.)

Christie AW3 platter (The new MUT leaves much to be desired, but the old MUTs are great. Some reliability issues over the last several years in terms of leds and motor drive wheels, etc, but all have since been rectified by Christie. Still the best overall platter without breaking the pocketbook.)

Dolby CP200 with Aux rack (A damn shame these are not still being made!)

Dolby DA20/DTS 6-d (Both are very reliable, although DTS has had some major problems with the Toshiba drives. SDDS is very harsh sounding thanks to their "digital eq" and the reliability issues with the format are pathetic. <vomits> )

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Greg Mueller
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Yay DP70
Favorite booth? My basement

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Stephen Jones
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Frank,when I had them they had a bauer carbon arc lamp house on them which matched the projector it was a very good combination.The B11 is a very good projector,rock steady picture easy to maintain.In the time they were in Tasmania they never had the back of them and ran like a swiss watch.The only parts I replaced were the sprockets and gate runnners and changed the oil regularly.Do you know where they are now?
As far as the Vic 5 goes my main areas of concern were the belt drive which kept breaking after a very short time even though
they were installed as instructed by the manual.They always went during the show.Remember once when a esp 3 was on in the bio one went and it took him 5 min to get back up an running I only showed him how to replace them the day before he did a good job as sometimes it can take longer!The other concerns were the position of the cell and the sound drum but i believe this has been addresed on later models and I believe there is retro fit available for earlier models.The main problem I wasn't happy with was the unsteady image on the screen,this seems to a problem with this projector as mentioned by other film techers.I dont know if this problem has been rectified as its been a couple of years since ive used a Vic 5.As for the cinemccanica platters I find them good but they dont come anywhere near the Kinoton platters I am useing now.

Stephen.

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Frank Prete
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Some great replies there, thanks guys.

Brad I agree that the Christie lamphouses are pretty good. One thing that was missing from the manual when I used them was the placement of the exhaust cuttout switch. I lost the flap one morning and couldn't get my xenon going...eventually replaced it with a bit of Coke can!

Stephen, yeah I know where the B11 are, but that will remain a mystery for now, give me a call and I'll tell you all about them.

I have worked with Centurys in only a limited capacity. I'm not sure what model they are (David can you help on that one), but I found them harder to thread and frame. I agree about the location of the focus knob on both, and the Cinemeccanica lens turrets have one flaw, using a 240volt turret motor (at least here in Aus.) I think that the belts are easier to change than the central shaft should it break!!!

Vic 8's are a great machine and have that solid feel that you say the Century's have.

The meccanica's are heaps easier to clean!

Platters, Christies are pretty good to. An interesting theory was put to me the other day that the Christie platter have less film wraps because they lift the film up prior to entering the payout module, and gravity does a fine job of seperating the film layers.

Ari, what are the Favorit70's??? I've never heard of them. Is there a picture somewhere or info I could find?

Frank.

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Ari Nordström
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Frank,

Favorit70 or rather, Zeiss, Favorit70, are license-built Prevost P70 machines (for both 35 and 70mm). They're great machines, very reliable and user-friendly.

You can find a couple of images of our booth at http://www1.tripnet.se/~adler/draken/teknik.html.

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Chris Erwin
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I'm a die-hard Simplex man myself. Century is great, but I started with a PR1014, and found if I build my own place, a PR1014 it is. EZ thread,EZ clean,built like a tank.

Lamphouse,I like Strong. Old X-60. I've been subjected to ORC (yuk). I thought it was cool until I learned better.

Sound,Smart MOD's are nice. I want to run a MODII DIT in my drive-in (when and if the time comes)

Chris

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Scott Norwood
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For "sound on a budget" I'll cast my vote for an upgraded CP-50. They are difficult to modify for six-channel use, so they're available relatively cheaply, yet can be made to sound just as good as the current processors if most of the cards are upgraded (108C preamp, 150E or F matrix, 160 subwoofer, 64B EQ cards, etc.).

The CP-65 is nice, but it really doesn't have much of an advantage over the CP-50 for analog sound. It is, however, much easier to upgrade to 5.1 digital and interface it with automation systems. The CP-500 seems to have a lot more potential for stuff to go wrong. I haven't personally had the chance to do an A/B comparison with CP-65, but I can believe the digital EQ doesn't sound as good. As I understand it, the main selling point of the CP-500 is that it's the cheapest way to install a Dolby Digital system from scratch (vs. a CP-65 and DA-20).

I've never worked with the CP-200, but it does appear to be the "gold standard" for anyone who needs to support 70mm.

I don't know much about Smart. The Cape Cinema has one of their relatively recent processors (Mod VI, perhaps? I don't remember offhand) which has some sort of SR-emulation, and it sounds decent. My reservations about it would be that it feels less "solid" than the Dolby equipment and that Dolby parts are more widely available on the secondhand market.

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Randy Stankey
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If I wanted to say what my favorite machine was it'd have to be a Norelco AAII.

As far as the booths I've seen in my area it'd have to be the 5-screen in the Randolph Mall in Asheboro, NC.

It's got Xetron lamps, IREM rectifiers and a mix of old Century and Simplex. The platters are Christie Miniwinds. All of them have RCA sound heads and 4 out of 5 of the houses are mono. The big house has DTS, though. USL processor. The big house even has reel arms for for reel-to-reel. You could run shorts and stuff if you wanted to.
The automations were home-built by some guy in his garage. All simple relay and switch jobs.

Yeah, It's small, old and dingy-looking but I almost never have problams with that booth. If I do get a call, usually they really mean it. This stuff just works.

This is probaly the closest thing to a REAL 'projectionist's' booth in my whole area. There are one or two other booths in my area that are pretty nice but this one is my favorite.


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Ari Nordström
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>> The CP-500 seems to have a lot more potential for stuff to go wrong. I haven't personally had the chance to do an A/B comparison with CP-65, but I can believe the digital EQ doesn't sound as good. As I understand it, the main selling point of the CP-500 is that it's the cheapest way to install a Dolby Digital system from scratch (vs. a CP-65 and DA-20). <<


The cheapest way to set up SRD from scratch is the CP650, I believe. CP500 comes second.

We've had the CP500 for ten months now, so far without any major problems. Not many minor problems either, BTW. Not that I've done an A-B comparison myself, so I can't really say if it sounds better or worse than an equivalent CP65 installation, but subjectively speaking, our installation sounds great! I've been very happy with it.



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Philippe Laude
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Serge,
you lucky guy! You just own the projectors you love.


Philippe

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Here goes. You all have to know that I had a running list of favorite projectors hanging on my office wall for along time.......this sometimes changed monthly.

Favorite projectors: 35/70, Phillips DP-70
35mm, Century SA/R-3

Favorite processor: Dolby CP-65, CP-200

Favorite Platter: Older AW-3's, Kinoton

Favorite Booth I service: Hindsale Theater, Hinsdale, Illinios: Had pair of imacculate DP-70's, one Hortson and one Prevost 16mm and a Strong Gladiator followspot. Booth was also very small. I had to leave my tools outside the door most of the time.

Brad,
Since when are JJ's forgiving of threading?? I don't know how many 70mm prints were trashed in Chicago on them by careless operators making the loops too big!!
Steady , Yes! But not forgiving of loop size at all.
Mark


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Brad Miller
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Perhaps "forgiving" isn't the best term here. To me, an operator misthreading two sprocket holes off of the optimum size that I train is grounds for dismissal. One frame off is ok, but I train so the loops are exactly the same every time to the sprocket hole. Heck, I've got two 17 year old kids in high school who can do it right now perfectly. It's not that hard to learn, but in their training there MUST be some absolute method for sizing loops. Trainers who just say "make a loop here and make a loop there" and never elaborate are pretty lousy trainers and their students never really know precisely the optimum size.

On a Century in general (particularly the 35mm only SA model) you've got quite a bit of "forgiveness" there. On the JJ running 70mm I will agree that it doesn't quite give you as much leeway, but hey...what's that moron doing running 70mm anyway?

One MAJOR problem with 70mm I've found is the switch from acetate magnetic to polyester DTS. You absolutely can NOT thread them the same. The polyester loops will shake violently and cause substantial scratching from a loop that was ideal for older acetate 70mm prints. Just to be safe, I remove the 35mm pad roller from the upper loop when running these newer 70mm prints and make sure everyone threads the lower loop very small. The studios should send out a letter in those prints as a reminder.


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