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Bill Enos
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70 will probably limit or eliminate play in a lot of places. There is only one 70 mm installation left in this area.

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Jerry Chase
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Ya'll do know that in the book of the movie, Dave comes back and explodes all the orbiting nuclear warheads around Earth in 2001 (the date), don'cha?

"He put forth his will, and the circling megatons flowered in a silent detonation that brought a brief, false dawn to half the sleeping world."

Depending on your mood of the moment, you can read this that Dave, as the star child, stopped all possible war and agression, or that he creamed at least part of the Earth into pot roast and gravy.

Of course, in "Childhood's End," the book that the book 2001 was loosely based on, Karallen watches the destruction of Earth from a safe vantage point outside the solar system.

Then, there is the short story that "Childhood's End" was based on...

Arthur C. Clark has a dark, misogynist, even human hating side.

FWIW, I've always admired Doug Trumbull more than Kubrick for 2001. Trumbull was the one that brought the space station to life, and for my money, the price of admission is repayed in the few seconds of it waltzing across the big screen. The bulk of the film is typical Kubrick excess and schmaltz.

Oddly, Trumbull's film, "Silent Running" has much more of a chance of being prophetic than "2001," and yet it is seen as a weak film. Then again, I invested in the original Showscan and the stock went in the toilet, so whadda I know?




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timothy johnson
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we got mag at our Heights Theater in Minneapolis , BRING IT ON!!!

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David Kilderry
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70mm in Melbourne, Australia just waiting for 2001:

Village City Centre 1 & 3
Village Rivoli Cin 1
Village Coburg Drive-in Field 1 & 2
Village Cranbourne 1 (soon)
Hoyts CC 1 & 2
Hoyts Chadstone 5
Greater Union Russell 1 & 6
Astor St Kilda
Westgarth Northcote

As Gabrielle Union says to Kirsten Dunst "Bring It"

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Ky Boyd
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From the Castro Theatre Calendar, San Francisco, CA:

"For those who figured out our last calendar's none-too-subtle clue, and were looking forward to ringing in 2001 with 2201 - all we can say is that when it comes to Kubrick films, delay is a tradition. We llok forward to a grand 70mm restoration next fall."

By the way, The Castro is currently playing the original release version of Blade Runner, which apparently is not an easy thing to get Warner's to let you do, so I's sure The Castro, along with theatres in NYC and LA will be among the first to get the 70mm release...Castro did humongous business with the Vertigo 70mm restoration several years ago.

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Ian Price
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Michael Barry
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2001 was a seminal experience for me - my parents took me to see it in 70MM when I was about 7, and I never forgot it. It left an indelible impression. Two weeks later, my older brother went to see it again with some friends and I begged to go again (although they didn't want me to tag along!).

Every time it showed again in 70MM, I went back for another viewing. I never miss this opportunity! It's one of my favourite films and each scene is totally unforgettable.

Without a doubt, it's my favourite large format production of any era. (Jacques Tati's 70MM 'Playtime' comes in second.)

An anecdote I can't help but recall at this point: After my parents took me to see 2001, Star Wars was released and my parents were 'curious' to see what 'all the fuss was about'. They took me along and I couldn't stand it (I still can't). It held none of the fascinating beauty of Kubrick's film for me, even as a seven-year-old. This accounts for my taste in art and movies, or perhaps it's a reflection of it...

So each time I've seen 2001, I've seen it in 70MM. I did see a reel of it once in 35MM and that's just not the same thing. Therefore, this work of art MUST be shown in it's original production format, because that's a totally different experience! Therefore I'm compelled to agree with Brad, Mark and Scott on this one.

I'm open to the Mag/DTS issue. From what I heard while seeing Vertigo, DTS seems up to the task: to my ears it sounds very dynamic and sonically transparent.

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John Walsh
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Kubrick must have approved a 'scope print (a 2.35 one, anyway, since that was the standard then.) And, since "2001" was released in 4-track mag, he must have approved a "only-three-speakers-behind-the-screen" mix, also. So even if there are DTS-only 70mm prints, I'm sure there are old production notes to guide them to something close to what SK would want.

As far as mag is concerned, it really does sound best, but... Mag is dead...Long live Mag! At $700 or $800 bucks for a mag head that will only last for 2-3 runs (I'm thinking that most of the places that even have 70mm are platter-type) and the cost of a mag-stripe print, I'm sure they will say "forget it." And if they are restoring from the orginal stems, who wants to pay for both a 6-track "Todd-AO" type mix down (that will hardly be used) and a 5.1 mix?

When you eliminate the theaters with 70mm that; a.) are unwilling to take the risk of damaging the print with poorly trained operators; b.) have screens that are considered "too small" to bother with 70mm (some management types actually believe this!); c.) do not have five speakers behind the screen (only three) - I think that (sadly) there is very little point in wasting the money for mag striping, especially if the difference can go to making more 70mm DTS prints.

In the early 1970's Walter Reede theaters built the Zigfeld in New York. About two years later, they went bankrupt, and couldn't get any current product. They must have booked "2001" 1-2 times a year from 1973 to 1977. I must have been there to see it 20 or 25 times. It was a 70mm print, in good shape, but I swear I watched it turn pink over the years.

The last time I saw it, just when the lights were dimming, a guy stood up on a seat in the front and yelled, "LIGHT UP!!"

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John Wilson
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The 1990 run we did of it in Sydney in 70mm was an outstanding print.

When we re-released it in 1995, the print this time was brand new (we had it struck) but the print was less than great. Some (a lot) of vertical movement in most reels.

I loved how HAL came out of the surrounds...


the 35mm print was only dolby 'A' and consequently too boring too be of any interest.


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Stefan Scholz
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2001 will be the final film of the Berlin film festival held in February.
The final film, that's nice! Noone, except those accredited guests and specialpass holder(most of them not really interested in the film) will have a chance to watch it. General public not allowed. Nice.
I doubt, there will be any more 70 mm screenings in Germany, as far as Im know there will not be a print.
And no theaters, as wqell as patrons...
Be honest, the 5 persons, which asked me to contact Warner to arrange a print, multiplied by 200 will be all that will join my shows... a loss for everybody, running commercial movies. I would like to do the shows, and in 70 mm only. 35 mm, multiformat or not, I do not care. The film must be seen in 70mm, preferrably 6 track mag, and no DTS. I can personally sacrifice mag, and live with DTS.

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Edwin Graf Diemer
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Can't wait to catch this masterpiece and see it again in 70mm. The last time I saw it was in 1984, some months before the sequel "2010" came out. The former Sameric Theaters (in and around Philadelphia) thought it would be a good idea to open it in 4-5 of their 70mm area screens, so they had every 70mm print from the depot shipped in and picked and chose reels from each one to come up with a few prints that would make it through the projector. Horrible looking things-faded, pink and scratched. At least they tried. It must have been incredible to see it when it played Radio City Music Hall!

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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As much as we all like mag I really hope it is in DTS as it would be much easier to go in and setup for DTS than to have to install mag preamps on a CP-500 or something. Thats just not practical on a large scale at all anymore. There are a handful of theaters still equipped with CP-200's but I doubt that many of them could play it in full 6 track. DTS would definately help the 70mm situation in this case. I'd vote for the 70mm gauge due to the spectaculuar imagery and sans the 6 track so more theaters could play back from DTS.
Mark

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Jeff Stricker
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I saw this in the summer of '68 in 70mm. The opening just blew me away at the time. Since then, I've tried to watch it a couple of times on the small TV screen ... the story just doesn't make it. Some things can only be done BIG.

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Greg Mueller
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I saw it 19 times during it's first release. 14 of them were at the Cinerama in Seattle. The next 5 were at smaller houses in 35mm. It was pretty cosmic at the time. I and my friends were caught up in the philosophical eastern religion craze that had the western world in it's grip at the time. It was pretty heavy and far out. Most of the straight folk that I took usually (at some point) said "What the hell is that thing?"
To bad it wasn't in tech. I've seen it several times over the years since then and was saddened to see it get pinker and pinker. Seems like the vhs tape I have of it is even pinkish.
Whenever it is reissued, I hope they do a first class job of it.

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Greg Mueller
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Ian Price
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2001: A Space Odyssey will be on tonight on Turner Classic Movies. It airs at midnight, I'm guessing EST and again at 3:00 AM.

Thus ends my Public Service Anouncement.

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