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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 01-16-2001 02:23 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes, I agree that 70mm SR or fullcoat mag does sound the best by a long shot, but any new 70mm print should have DTS for best print longivity. In fact 70mm DTS prints would be a good investment for distributers. Polyestar base film coupled with the long life dyes and the optical timecode track would definately make 70mm release printing far less expensive over the life of a print as the prints would last far longer. It would also allow for multi-lingual compatability with only one print in the warehouse! This again would save a tramendous amount of $$.
In this day and age few theaters have the knowledge or personel to perform proper maintainance on mag playback equipment. But with 70mm DTS, prints could be around and playable for decades with little or no detrimental problems in the sound track. Right now the average life of a 70mm mag print is way too short, they cost way too much and there are way too few of them in circulation for anyone on a large scale to be able to enjoy 70mm presentations.
Its sad when I think of the last couple of generations of kids in this country that have never seen a 70mm film.
Mark

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Ari Nordström
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I guess it's not possible to get the UK print after its run i London, is it, Martin? It's a shame that they won't make more 70mm prints. It's a crime, that's what it is. Personally I think it would have been a great idea to have Sweden, Norway, and Denmark share a print (better than no prints at all, at least).

Would've worked, too. We always filled the auditorium (713 seats) when rerunning the old 70mm print of "2001". And for the life of me, I can't see why we can't screen that print. It's used, but it's in good condition.

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Steve Guttag
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Another advantage of making the 70mm prints in DTS would be Denmark's problem...Use the DTS also work with a subtitle generator (rather than scribing subtitles onto the film).

Steve

(PS, I'd personally, prefer Mag but that is what I grew up with....kinda like Altec)

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Martin Frandsen
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 - posted 01-21-2001 08:37 AM      Profile for Martin Frandsen   Email Martin Frandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ari, no need to get a ''2001'' print from the UK. I think if Sweden, Norway and Denmark went together and struck a 70mm print, ( with out those nasty subtitels )they could share that print. It will make a lot of money, i am sure!

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Per Hauberg
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 - posted 01-21-2001 06:24 PM      Profile for Per Hauberg   Author's Homepage   Email Per Hauberg   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Martin>

Again, You haven't been listening carefully before bringing rumors into space: The Kubrick Family will not accept prints in circulation without subtitles for the actual location, -and that's why, Denmark, Norway and Sweden can't have a print to sheare, neither will they accept old prints.

Getting ready for 70mm ? - Well, -if those darn gremlins inside the rack hadn't been humming, as soon as projector 1 is on, it would take about 3 minutes per projector to get going. Anyone using more time, should convert for DP70 /AAII asap. Contact Your local dealer
P.S.: Martin: Last time, You visited me, and wanted me to run 70m, I hadn't seen my bed for about 30 hours, -only been sleepwalking round the DP's. I was not in the mood for "I could have danced all night" or anything else. -Check that before leaving home next time...
P.P.S.: Anybody got a gremlins-trap to spare...?

Per


2001 reissue in 70mm - a matter of human rights !


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John Walsh
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 - posted 01-21-2001 07:38 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was mentioning to a usher who works here about "2001" being re-released. I said that currently (that I know of) there are no digital 35mm prints. He said, "Why don't you just get the DVD and synchronize the 35mm image with the DVD audio?"

Well, I said it would drift out of sync after awhile, but then I remembered; Awhile ago, there was a guy who had a box that would sync audio to audio. I think his idea was to have a system like DTS, but instead of a sync track on the film, it would use the regular optical sound track to generate a pulse to control a CD player. Existing prints could be used with a CD player.

Does any remember this system?

Also, the four hour figure to change from 35mm to 70mm is based on the JJ's I used to use. I'm including de-maging the projector and hand tools; aligining and A chaining the mag head; checking the B chain (should be correct, but I'm not going to go through everything else and not check that); removing the optical lens assembly (would scratch the film); refocusing the lamp; tilting and kicking the pedestal to align the test film image to the screen (it's always a little off); unhooking the masking cable from the masking motor to set the masking to 2.21 (very few theaters will pay for a masking motor with 3 stops); changing to longer 1/2" spindles (easy on a V8!); fiddling with the trap holder (that dove-tail shaped part) to position the trap for good focus; removing the 35mm plastic pad rollers (yeah, you shouldn't turn it the wrong way, but..)

If you can do all that stuff in less than four hours.. come here!

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Martin Frandsen
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Per, regarding the humming in projector no.1. YES i have talked with the Technical department and maybe you should have the projector checked once more, so the humming can be found. At least for the large film party you will have next month everything should run smooth, right?

I have seen you dance in the booth with that reel of ''Dolly'' it was not a pretty sight i must say! i'll rather see Miss Eliza dance at the Ball!
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Gordon McLeod
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I saw a demo of that syncing system
the inverter also invented the soundsphere speaker

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 04-04-2001 08:08 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just saw this on the Cinematographers Mailing List (CML):

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since it does not appear to be advertized
here is an important piece of info
for those in london, uk

2001-A Space Odyssey

is at the curzon mayfair
for one month
1300h, 1615h and 1945h
phone 020-7465-8865


i went on sunday
and it was a pretty clean and nice 70mm print
with an aligned projector too !

the front row is unobstructed
and the poster outside said it is
STILL THE ULTIMATE TRIP
and it is ;-)

mitch mitchell
vfx supervisor, london, uk.

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Dick Vaughan
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John

The picture and sound should be well aligned as Richard Huhndorf of Warners and Dion Hanson spent a considerable amount of time setting up the equipment for the Curzon's first 70mm screening for some time.

This is the same print we ran on March 10th and is coming back to Pictureville on May 18th for 10 days after it as finished it's run at the Curzon and been to a theatre in Cambridge.


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Thomas Hauerslev
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At http://hjem.get2net.dk/in70mm/magazine/screenings.htm I have listet 70mm screenings known to me. To keep it updated, please let me know by e-mail, when you know about future 70mm screenings.

PS "2001" is issued on DVD June 12, with the cleaned-up soundtrack and film material mastered from the 65mm negative.

PPS. The De-Luxe DVD set comes with a 70mm frame from the film. So, the only way to see "2001" in Denmark is on DVD while holding the 70mm frame. Ironic, huh!

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Leo Enticknap
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Sorry if this is repeating info that someone else has already posted - I've only had time to skim-read this thread.

35mm trailers for '2001' have been attached to all the UK prints of 'Best in Show' with an 'Exclusive 70mm presentation at the Curzon, Mayfair' tag at the end.

IMHO, if they're not going to rerelease the film in 35mm at all, then Warners should not be distributing 35mm trailers. They certainly should not be sending the trailers to cinemas which cannot show 70mm.

I've been told by our head office that they will try to book us the 35mm version when it comes out, so they obviously believe that there will be a 35mm release. If there isn't, then I've been wasting our customers' time for the last three weeks (apart from the tiny minority who are willing to travel a considerable distance to see it).

BTW, the cinema in Cambridge to which Dick refers is none other than my company's own Cambridge Arts Picture House - for screening dates and times, see
www.picturehouse-cinemas.co.uk/cb/whats.html


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Dick Vaughan
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Come on Leo

I know we are in different ridings of Yorkshire but Bradford isn't that far from York

Good God you can even catch the mighty Iron Horse between our two cities as long as Railtrack / Northern Spirit (aka Spawn of The Devil) don't interfere

Perhaps your management might allow us to send some flyers across for display at City Screen.

BTW there's a ticket for 2001 waiting for you if you wish to cross the border in May.

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Leo Enticknap
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I think I could be persuaded...

All I was trying to say was that mass-trailing a film which cannot be shown at the venue where the trailer is being shown could be off-putting to our customers. If the tag at the end had said 'showing ONLY in 70mm at the following cinemas...' then that might be one solution. As it is the trailer gives the impression that we'll be showing the film.

BTW, the 35mm trailer looks extremely sharp and the sound is great. It would be a pity if there is no 35mm release - I'd much rather be showing 2001 than Chocolat four times a day!

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Dick Vaughan
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Interestingly the print of Best In Show we have here at the moment doesn't have the 2001 trailer. Go figure!

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