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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 12-31-2000 08:38 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark:

I agree on the easy set up of DTS over mag for the newer installations....think about it...if you have either a Simplex or Century, only the projector head need be changed if it is currently a 35mm only theatre.

With Panastereo's CSP-4600, mag installation would also be a snap for existing mag set ups with CP-500s or CP-65s or Panastereo.

In speaking with one of the studios that was looking into DTS and 70mm...they claimed that DTS wanted a pretty hefty premium to license the DTS format for 70mm in addition to 35mm (in addition to the negative cost for the 65mm time-code)...so much so that it would have been cheaper to strike mag prints for a small run.

Steve

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Ari Nordström
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It's not enough to install a Panastereo unit to run alongside the CP500; you also have to convince the management to buy you two more screen speakers, and two doubled amps to drive them...

...which is exactly what I'm trying to do. Wish me luck.

BTW, the 35mm optical stereo print (a new one, I was told) I screened about a year ago or so did not have any black masking to achieve the 2.21 ratio. As far as I could see, it was a perfectly ordinary scope print.

I begged and pleaded to get the 70mm print instead (Sweden's remaining 70mm print still has its colours intact, and even though the sound has faded somewhat, the print is in very good shape) but to no avail. The stupid film company, Warner I think, that handled the Kubrick retrospective stated in writing that "Mr Kubrick would have wanted us to screen a new print..."

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John Wilson
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I love the way Warner Bros. keep saying that they loved Stanley Kubrick and want to do everything as he would have wanted it...

For years, he kept A Clockwork Orange unavailable on video in Australia and Great Britain due to the problems on its initial release in GB and the fact that Australia uses the same video format.

Now, the poor guy's still warm in his grave and guess what came out on video here about one month ago?

You guessed it...A Clockwork Orange.

Give it up Warners...no-one believes you.

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Martin Frandsen
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A 70mm dts release still will be much better than a 35mm release. I have never heard 2001 in mag, but i can imaging that it beats the hell out of anything out there.

Anyone have any updates on releases?

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Gordon McLeod
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Ari the Panastereo mag processor does allow for a fold down of the LC and Rc into the LCR channels if one did not wish to install the extra amps and speakers

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Ari Nordström
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Gordon,

Yeah, I think you told me about that feature of the Panastereo unit in a previous thread. I really want one of those! But I really want those two extra speakers, too, so I'm not going to tell the management about that particular feature just yet.

"2001" is magnificent, absolutely stunning, in 6-track mag; that "sensurround-like" sequence near the end always blows everyone away.

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John Wilson
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If you get the chance to run it in 70mm try what we did after the show one night.

We cranked up the Stargate sequence (reel 7 or 8, I think) and layed down on the stage with our feet touching the bottom masking. Then, when the scene begins, put your arms out in front of you as if you were Superman. It's really like you are flying through time.

Proves you don't need drugs to have that induced freaky experience.

...Daisy...Daisy...Give me your answer, do...

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Stefan Scholz
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 - posted 01-07-2001 07:09 AM      Profile for Stefan Scholz   Author's Homepage   Email Stefan Scholz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The 5 channel front should be standard in every commercial operating movie theatre. This distinguishes theatres from home presentations. And theoreticly it should be easy to revise also DTS for 8 channel playback, it's an open architecture.
Currently you would have to go SDDS. There is a proposal for 70 mm SDDS, it's working, but there has never been any industry response to that...
Additional screen channels deliver extra audio power when used correctly during mixing for modern movies.
I love 5 front channel synphonic music found on those intro reels.

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John Walsh
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Personally, I dislike the idea of a processor that would allow you to "cheat" and mix a "5-behind-the-screen" to a "3-behind-the-screen." It reminds me of those early Dolby processors knock-offs that only reproduced one channel behind the screen and a surround channel.

I mean, it's not the end of the world or anything, but if you want to run a film, run it properly, or just get a 35mm optical print.

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Scott Norwood
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I'm with John on this one, at least to the extent that folding down five screen channels in to three would be a bad idea for regular use.

On the other hand, the 5->3 (and, even, 5->1!) channel conversion option would be good to have around for emergency use, in case the film in question had panned dialogue and an amp or crossover or loudspeaker were blown. Obviously, the problem would need to get fixed, but it's better to have some options for temporary use (with apologies to customers and offers of refunds) rather than to be forced to cancel shows or lose some dialogue as a result.

I've always liked the way that some Dolby processors have a "bypass" mode which sends a mono signal to all three screen channels. I've never lost a center channel, but this would allow running the film in mono through the L and R screen channels if the center channel were to go south.

(Not that I advocate doing any of this, but I do like to have the ability to run the film with some type of sound rather than having to cancel a show entirely.)

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Gordon McLeod
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The SDDS processor does the same thing of folding down the mix to match the theatre
Also the CP45 can be set up for centre/surround only operation


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Dion Hanson
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The latest I heard is that the print is magnetic and being stiped as we speak. What an excuse you guys have for going DTS, 'It's easier to line up'! Where have all your skilled technicians gone? In England we have a saying 'If a job's worth doing, it's worth doing right'.

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John Walsh
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Unfortunately, in America, we have a saying; "If the job's worth doing right, it's going to cost a lot for this muffler..." or something like that...

At $700 for one mag head, 4 hours of labor to convert to 70mm operation, (that's if there's only one projector) the need for much better trained operators, the high cost if the print is damaged -and- the lean times theaters are going through now means that mag striping has (sadly) worn out it's welcome.

I think I'd rather have 70mm make a come-back with DTS (or SR-D or SDDS) then not have it come back at all.


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John Pytlak
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At the ITEA Seminar in Los Angeles this week, I asked Bill Hunter of DTS whether the original mix with five channels behind the screen could be used with DTS. He said yes, noting that DTS has been configured for many different channel configuations in "special venue" applications. Since the 70mm print only contains time code, the number and placement of channels is limited only by your imagination and budget.

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Stefan Scholz
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Dion, I agree.
No excuses. Do it right, or leave it.

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