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Author Topic: Anti Piracy Trailer Disappointing John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-23-2003 12:51 PM                     Brad said, "By the way, the weirdest thing is looking at video of a projection room (platters) shot with a 24P camera. You see the decks spinning, film is obviously running, yet the film does not appear to be moving! Weird." You almost had me there! I started thinking about how this was comparable to watching a projector under a strobe, etc. But then I realized: You shouldn't see any 24fps effects anywhere other than inside the projector head between the intermittant and a constant-speed sprocket. Everything else should be smooth continuous motion. [ Edit: Err, right, nevermind, Brad, it makes sense now. Momentary brain failure, I guess. ] --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-23-2003 01:04 PM                     It's not a joke. Yes you see the film roll spinning and the rollers show motion as well, but the film when stretched out has no movement to it because it is moving at the same capture rate as the camera. You could literally put a light on the floor underneath the film traveling back to the platter during takeup and aim a 24P camera downward at the film and get a flickerless image. The camera becomes the shutter.  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Cope Master Film Handler Posts: 256 From: Overland Park, KS, United States Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-23-2003 01:08 PM                     quote: According to their web site, the MPAA does offer rewards that lead to the conviction of video pirates I think to qualify for a reward you have to provide information on a copying facility that has a minimum of 29 recorders. Obviously, they are only looking to reward someone with major insider information. I've turned in bootleggers to their website and have gotten not so much as a thank you.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 07-23-2003 01:34 PM                    Interesting, Brad. Interesting because even though the capture rate coincides with the frames passing on the film they are indeed still in motion and one would expect some motion blurring, depending on what period of time each frame is integrated over (equivalent of the shutter opening in film).  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 07-23-2003 01:50 PM                        I agree. You would normally expect to see some motion blur, as it takes time to fill the "wells" on the camera CCD with enough photons to register as an exposure. Unless you have set the camera for a very short exposure time (and have lots of light), as you can on some models (often used to analyze sports subjects like golf swings).  |  IP: Logged Chris Markiewicz Expert Film Handler Posts: 209 From: Glenaviegh, County Tipperary, Ireland Registered: Aug 2002 posted 07-23-2003 01:58 PM                     We got a scope and a flat one of these drop shipped to us on Monday, and we're a single screen occasional subrun.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-23-2003 02:31 PM                     Sorry John and Steve, I've never bothered to actually go to the trouble of TRYING to videotape part of a film like that. I just noticed it purely during "fly time" between the platter and projector. I think you guys are far overanalyzing things and missing the basic point of the 24P videocamera technology. Instead, should I do some experimenting and make a "tips" page for everyone?  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 07-23-2003 03:32 PM                    Not for me, thanks; I just thought it was interesting as it's not what I would expect but then I don't really know what the effective exposure time is. If we all knew everything there'd be no reason to come here. Well, except for checking up on Rachel of course.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-23-2003 04:27 PM                     "Overanalysis is what we do." --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 07-23-2003 06:25 PM                    With the newer type cameras now there may not be a problem with the shutter flicker caused by the 24fps projected image. However, when I was on vacation down in florida at disney world I taped one of the attractions that allowed Video taping inside. The result was a noticable shutter flicker caused by the 24fps rate.  |  IP: Logged Aldo Baez Master Film Handler Posts: 266 From: USA Registered: Mar 2001 posted 07-24-2003 01:43 AM                    I find the message in these trailers completely and utterly moronic. You expect me to believe that someone pirating a movie directly effects the little guys working on a movie, while the star makes 20 million? yea sure  |  IP: Logged Mike Olpin Chop Chop! Posts: 1852 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Jan 2002 posted 07-24-2003 04:21 AM                     My problem with this trailer is that it spends a lot of time talking about nothing related to piracy. The guy rambles about films he worked on for 70 percent of the trailer, and then says only one or two sentences relating to piracy. They should make one with John Pytlak explaining the quality loss in videotaping film. He could talk about CCDs and give spacific luminance levels and aspect ratios, perhaps even throw in a few weblinks!  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-24-2003 10:14 AM                     If one of these shows up at the theater, I will make sure it becomes unplayable before it even hits the screen! Seriously, this anti-piracy hysteria is bullshit. When Old Man Valenti crawls out of the preservation chamber he shares with Dick Clark and gets up on his little podium and presents PROOF (and I'm not talking "trucks moving WMDs" type proof) that the industry is losing BILLIONS due to piracy (Hint to Valenti: Don't talk about industry losses and record profits in the same speech) and that these billions of dollars in losses are actually caused by people selling low-quality flickering MONO VHS copies on the street corners for $5, then I'll play his little trailer. Until then, ST U! Boy, what I wouldn't do to have a chance to pie that loser in the face while he's giving his sermon to the other blue-hairs in suits. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Evans A Criswell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1579 From: Huntsville, AL, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 07-24-2003 10:32 AM                        Sometimes when I'm in a theatre and am talking to other customers before the movie, or with my friends, I'm tempted to encourage them all to boo loudly if a trailer about piracy comes up. I've even thought about putting a news item encouraging readers of my site to boo such trailers, but I haven't done it yet. It would say something to the effect of "If you're not a criminal and don't like being treated like one, be sure to complain if you see a trailer about movie piracy before a film." I could see such a trailer having more of a tendency to get damaged and becoming unplayable if management dislikes the idea of showing those things. I've seen one such trailer, and it was very sloppily spliced into the sequence before the movie. The transitions into and out of the trailer were very nasty-looking. Maybe the person who built that print was making a statement. Those were the only nasty transitions between things that I saw.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 07-24-2003 10:37 AM                    Actually quite a few years ago when the film New Jack City came out. On the street corners near the theater it was playing it was reported that bootleg copies of the film were being sold right on the same corner the film was playing. This was somewhere in new york. Piracy is a problem and it does cause loss of revenue to the film companies. It has gotten more attention now since internet file sharing became popular. If 100,000 people paid $10 to a pirate for a video of a movie that is a $1,000,000 that the film companies lose. It affects everyone in the long run. As far as the trailer playing it is no different than an anti-drug trailer or don't drink and drive. In order to get the message out everyone must hear it reguardless if you have never thought of pirating a movie, taking drugs or driving drunk.  |  IP: Logged

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