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Michael Gonzalez
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 - posted 10-23-2003 06:30 PM      Profile for Michael Gonzalez   Email Michael Gonzalez   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The “David Goldstein" set painter person in the trailer does not exist. In the trailer his film credits supposedly include “Beverly Hills Cop,” “Father of the Bride,” “Dick Tracy,” “The Natural,” “The Big Chill,” among others. However, a quick check on the Internet Movie Database ( http://www.imdb.com ) revealed that no one named David Goldstein worked on ANY of the movies he mentioned in the commercial.

Would have been hard for them to have actually get a REAL set painter to do the commercials instead of making up a person or would it have been some kind of union problem with that (Screen Actors Guild or something)?

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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 10-23-2003 08:59 PM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I would presume he is probably real despite what IMDb says. Has anyone looked at the actual film credits? It just seems likely that they would not want to do something that would subject them to such easy ridicule. But I could be wrong.

Episode 2, starring the black stunt driver or whatever he is, opens October 24. Not any better and will still be derided by the audiences it is inflicted upon. I still say an appeal to greed would be more effective: Rewards for turning in tapers or other pirates.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 10-24-2003 09:18 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Again, here is the "Respect Copyrights" site, where they have on-line versions of the trailers:

http://www.respectcopyrights.org/main.html

http://www.respectcopyrights.org/hear-artists.html

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Ron Lacheur
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 - posted 10-24-2003 12:04 PM      Profile for Ron Lacheur   Email Ron Lacheur   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I didn't think " David Goldstein " was real. I did the IMDB search too and came up with nothing. I checked the ending credits of Beverly Hills Cop and there was no David Goldstein mentioned or credit for a set painter. There was a credit for a Standby Painter, that was credited to John Hutchinson.

So it's very possible that he wasn't credited or he isn't real.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 10-24-2003 01:11 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The "real" David Goldstein does exist:

Jakeopolis Article

quote:
The fact is, David Goldstein, star of the first batch of movie piracy trailers, is a real set painter. How do I know this? I just got off the phone with him. And after briefly talking to him I can tell you, that not only is he a consummate professional, but one of the nicest people I have ever met, even if it was just on the phone.

He's a warm individual who just wants his concerns voiced and understood. To give you a grasp on how widespread this trailer is, it is running in over 5000 theatres in the United States and in almost every Canadian theatre.

Goldstein has been working in the industry for over 28 years. He originally got hired the old fashioned way, he put in an application in 1975. Since that time, he's worked on the production of over 40 feature's from The Natural to City Slickers 2. But the downturn in the Hollywood scene and the raising concerns of movie piracy are starting to effect how much work Goldstein is able to get on features. A number of productions have moved to other parts of the continent, such as Vancouver and Toronto. There just isn't as much work out there.

In order to make a living and support his family, Goldstein has moved into Television work, for the time being, as that is the only constant right now in Los Angeles. He worked on Joss Whedon's now defunct show, "Fire Fly" and is currently working in the art department at NBC.

I now understand where he's coming from. David Goldstein is a man that loves working. Goldstein is a man that loves doing a great job and takes enormous pride in what he does. He's a man who's been in the business for a long time and paid his dues.

The issue of movie piracy runs deep and only scratches the surface on the problems that Goldstein and his fellow union members are facing (Yes, David Goldstein is in the Union, again, I'm wrong). There are issues involving run away productions to Canada and there are a multitude of issues that deal directly with movie piracy.

That said, I'm not going to talk about them now. After I research the issue a bit more and talk to Mr. Goldstein more formally about everything going on in Hollywood, I'll have an in depth feature for you. I just wanted to get it out of the way... that I was wrong.

As for the beard, it started as a dare from his kids and then suddenly became his trait. Goldstein himself said, "I get recognized whenever I go out now, whether it's at Dodger games or just out in the street".

From what I gather, I don't think Goldstein would have it any other way.

Check back in about three weeks for more on David Goldstein and the movie piracy issue.

Until next time,

Jakob Brzovic aka Big Jake
Editor-In-Chief of JAKEOPOLIS.com



Arizona Central

CBS News

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Brad Miller
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I still have yet to see one of these things. I must be doing an unintentionally good job at avoiding these. Someone send me one. [Smile]

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Steve Kraus
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See them online.

As for the article, oh come on. Runaway production is not because of piracy it's because of labor costs, exchange rates, tax incentives and rebates etc. Let them cite some statistics to show that production is down overall. It could happen if piracy becomes rampant but at least initially the immediate effects will be felt by the big shot profit participants and/or stockholders not the small people and that makes the trailer simply flat out wrong.

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John Pytlak
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Steve wrote:

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As for the article, oh come on. Runaway production is not because of piracy it's because of labor costs, exchange rates, tax incentives and rebates etc.
The article notes that those opinions are Mr. Goldstein's.

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Mike Blakesley
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Funny how these antipiracy trailers come with a note saying, "Your home office has agreed to run these trailers on 100% of your screens."

Actually, I AM my home office and I never agreed to nothin'! [Cool]

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Frank Angel
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 - posted 10-26-2003 12:52 AM      Profile for Frank Angel   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Angel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So let me get this straight.....the authors of this hokey litlle promo about respect for the law and honesty and ethics, they have no scruples about LYING to get you to run it. I guess they think, what's the big deal?....it's only a LITTLE lie. Well, hey, what's the big deal?...it's only a LITTLE copyright infringement.

And my mom wonders why I am so cynical.

Frank

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