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Mike Blakesley
Film God

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From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99

posted 07-29-2003 01:26 AM

The only reason the studios are worried about piracy is, they're afraid the bad word-of-mouth about the movies will start flying around BEFORE the dollars are in the cash registers.

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Jonathan Ralston
Film Handler

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From: Cincinnati, OH, USA
Registered: Jul 2003

posted 07-29-2003 01:39 AM

We received a box of those trailers last week. Of course they sent us one for each projector, half flat, half scope, when most of the current movies are scope. So we can only run them on a few prints. We had a sneak of Freaky Friday last week, and Disney made us put up Anti-Piracy signs, and even had guards in the theater looking for cameras.

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Thomas Procyk
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From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 08-01-2003 11:17 AM

The cost of the signs and the guards' wages will probably be more than the total gross of Freaky Friday...

Once again, ANTI-piracy is costing the industry billions... [Roll Eyes]

=TMP=

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Ron Lacheur
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: British Columbia, Canada
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 08-01-2003 06:38 PM

Just saw this today in front of American Wedding. Everybody laughed harder at that then the movie itself.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from)
Registered: Jun 2002

posted 08-01-2003 11:32 PM

Too bad the good ol' "David Goldstein" trailers didn't have the Fox logo at the beginning of them. Then people would be laughing at Fox too. [Smile]

"Sure, it doesn't hurt the producer's, they're millionaires."

Common' you could'a done so much better.

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Dino Panagiotopoulos
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 139
From: Windor, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jan 2003

posted 08-02-2003 02:32 AM

All I have to say is.......F@#$ YOU Anti Piracy trailers for making my work so backed up this weekend, I dont even have time to take a [bs]

!!!

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Jonathan Ralston
Film Handler

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From: Cincinnati, OH, USA
Registered: Jul 2003

posted 08-09-2003 01:08 AM

I just find it funny that the guy in that is a set painter. Aren't they contract workers, and therefore not really affected much by piracy?

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Ron Lacheur
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posted 08-09-2003 04:47 AM

exactly, that's what so funny about it. They are paid way before the film even gets into the hands of pirates.

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 08-11-2003 10:23 PM

NATO President John Fithian talks about piracy in the current issue of NATO "In Focus" Magazine:

http://www.infocusmag.com/03August/prezdesk.htm

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Piracy is no longer just “their” problem. It’s our problem too. That’s why NATO has added piracy to our priority list.

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Early efforts to raise these themes in the trailer format have met with some mixed audience reactions. So we’ll all need to refine the message until we find something that works.

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As you know, the studios have undertaken a variety of sophisticated activities to detect and thwart recording of movies at screenings. From “wanding” to searches to night goggles and more, these techniques can be very effective in detecting piracy. They can also intimidate the attendees. We will work to better educate our patrons and screening attendees so they understand and become comfortable with these activities. And we will work with the studios to find the appropriate balance between piracy prevention and patron enjoyment.

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Each NATO member should adopt a company policy to combat piracy, working with their staff to identify and then expel patrons with recording equipment. NATO counsel has developed language that can be used for signage on this issue (please contact the NATO offices for a copy of that language.)

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Frank Angel
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From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 08-12-2003 01:39 PM

NATO Prez said: Each NATO member should adopt a company policy to combat piracy, working with their staff to identify and then expel patrons with recording equipment.

It is quite dismaying that NATO has bought into this nonsense. Does anyone really believe that a guy making a recording of a film in a movie theatre is a wide enough economic threat that exhibitors should subject masses of patrons to an education lesson about how bad it is to break the law? Show me any movie-goer who is not aware that making copies of movies in the theatre is illegal.

NATO prez is right about one thing, patrons don't take well to being preached at before they settle in to watch a movie. It's bad enough they have to watch those horrid slides.

Do you think a restaurateur would be willing to post signage all over and play a recording over his music system in his establishment explaining how skipping out on the bill or stealing silverware "hurts us all?" Or wand people as they leave to be sure they haven't stolen anything? I simply do not accept the fact that the loss to the industry is caused specifically by the video pirate in the theatre as the main source of the billions that are claimed to be lost. I certainly don't believe this activity is rampant enough to inflict an uncomfortable atmosphere on my all my ticket-buying, law abiding customers and I surely don't believe I should "educate" them to accept this kind of intrusive, confrontational attitude. They are supposed to get used to getting wanded for video equipment? You know how small those video cameras are getting....what's next, body cavity searches?

Has ANYONE on this forum actually seen anyone videotaping in the theatre? No one I know has, so how rampant is it that everyone from now on everyone who goes to a movie has to be bombarded with this "education"? So if the counterfeit tapes are coming from not from off-the-screen copies, where are all these pirated video tapes coming from?

While I have never seen some guy in a trench coat videotaping a movie in a theatre, I HAVE seen pirated video tapes of perfect quality that have time code running at the bottom -- what does THAT tell you? And I have seen perfect pirated copies that had text emblazoned across the bottom of the screen: "Academy Member Evaluation Tape" So how come we NEVER hear about the BILLIONS of dollars that the industry is loosing from pirated tapes -- that are actually watchable and hence a real threat -- which are made from AMPAS members evaluation tapes? You don't hear Jack It's-A-Cancer-In-The-Belly-Of-The-Industry Valenti telling the academy to put signage up in the Kodak Academy Theatre admonishing members not to sell their evaluation copies to buy extra botox treatments.

Who wants to take bets that they won't run their little "We are all criminals" antipiracy trailer at the next Academy Awards!

Frank

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John Pytlak
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posted 08-12-2003 03:44 PM

Although I personally have not seen people actually videotaping in a theatre, I have seen pirated videos seized by the FBI and MPAA that were obviously shot off a theatre screen rather than a professional video transfer on a telecine. In-theatre piracy is only part of the problem, but it IS still a real problem that theatres need to address.

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Bob Peticolas
Film Handler

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From: Mesilla, New Mexico
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 08-12-2003 08:10 PM

Well if it's in-theatre video taping it would have to be done by an employee or a friend of an employee during the theatre's "preview" before opening the film. Why not make all employees sign an "non-piracy" aggreement before work each day? Makes about as much sense as forcing the paying audience to watch silly trailers. [Frown]

Also, wasn't the "Cap Code" system supposed to track pirate videos to the print they were made from? How has that been working (or is it)? [Confused]

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John Pytlak
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posted 08-12-2003 09:07 PM

The CAP Code I helped Kodak develop for the MPAA has been in use since 1982. If it didn't work, I doubt it would have been used so long. [Cool]

As you know, in the last year or two, the original CAP Code has been supplemented by additional watermarking/tracking codes, some obvious, others not.

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Brad Miller
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posted 08-12-2003 09:18 PM

So THAT's why the movies nowaday have that shake to their picture. All this time I thought that was a printing error, not an anti-piracy watermarking/tracking code. [Razz]

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John Pytlak
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posted 08-12-2003 09:24 PM

AFAIK, any unsteadiness is not deliberate and not due to any of the anti-piracy codes. As noted here before, vertical unsteadiness is often introduced when the correct short pitch original to long pitch raw stock relationship is not maintained when using a continuous contact printer. Labs are often not given enough time to use much slower pin-registered printers for making the duplicate negatives.

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