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Frank Angel
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 - posted 08-14-2003 10:06 AM      Profile for Frank Angel   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Angel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Still, before I would play ANY trailer, which is essentially an ad (especially for free), and especially if I think it is insulting to my audience, I would like to see hard, substantiated proof of the claim that an almost unwatchable video tape of a film, even if it is put out on the street within the first week of a major film's release date, could possibly be a major economic impact to the studio. Where is the market for such poorly pirated tapes? Is it out there, yes, but in what numbers? Are there hundreds of thousands of people who would forego seeing a major release in a theatre because of a junk video tape that costs nearly the price of a theatre ticket? I don't believe it. And until MPAA can justify their claims, don't ask exhibtion to subject the entire moviegoing public to such a campaign which will have, IMHO, a negative impact on presentation (I know I'll be sitting in my seat fuming that I have to be subjected to such drivel after paying 10 bucks). The MPAA needs to come up with more than just vague proclamations about the billions their members loose to this kind of sitting-in-a-theatre-with-a-camcorder piracy.

Let them do their CAP codes and put in place any and all high-tech security mechanisms they can muster, as long as they are TRANSPARENT, but let's not insult the audiences that are PAYING to see the films. If they are in the theatre, then they haven't bought a pirated video copy on a street corner. I don't see it as a widespread problem that needs such a draconian, wide spread solution.

If the MPAA thinks the entire population needs to be reached with a message that piracy is illegal, then let them take out TV
ads or, as I suggested, run the spots during the Academy Awards. If they really believe what they claim, put their money down on the table; I am sure ABC will give them a break on few dozen 30 sec. ads -- as many as they want, in fact. Or they can BUY screen time from exhibitors. Which ever works for them.

The real threat as we all know are GOOD video transfers -- the ones that make it to foreign markets or to unscrupulous video retailers, and those, I submit, come from the very people who are doing all the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments. When a studio executive wants to show off to his friends and lends his perfectly transferred tape of the latest blockbuster to a neighbor who then makes a dozen copies for his friends, one of whom has another friend who runs a trucking company that delivers supplies to video rental stores, which suddenly has an endless supply of this blockbuster available under the counter, it's the bigshot studio exec who needs to be educated and see some trailers on the evils of piracy -- "Just Don't Do It!" Not my patrons.

Frank

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Charles Everett
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You don't see this "Anti-Piracy" trailer in AMC Theatres because AMC is not a member of NATO.

Another reason why at AMC you "Experience the Difference!" [Big Grin]

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Joe Redifer
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quote:
Several pages back Brad wrote:
It's not a joke. Yes you see the film roll spinning and the rollers show motion as well, but the film when stretched out has no movement to it because it is moving at the same capture rate as the camera. You could literally put a light on the floor underneath the film traveling back to the platter during takeup and aim a 24P camera downward at the film and get a flickerless image. The camera becomes the shutter.

Check out this 24 frames per second closeup of film running with a light in the background. Now granted there is motion blur, but you can easily see what Brad is talking about. This video was shot and presented at exactly 24 frames per second.

Click Here to Download. 4.5 MB

This was at the default shutter speed.

[ 08-21-2003, 01:59 AM: Message edited by: Joe Redifer ]

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Charles Everett
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I take back my earlier comment. AMC is now playing the anti-piracy trailer [evil] as part of rolling stock. I had to put up with the anti-piracy trailer in front of Dirty Pretty Things at the AMC Hamilton.

This [bs] reminds me of the music industry crying wolf 25 years ago about bootleg albums. According to one interview I read back then, the music industry was getting ripped off by tape piracy. They looked the other way when the Mafia put out counterfeit 8-tracks and sold them to wholesalers for less than what the major labels charged for the real stuff.

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William Hooper
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They didn't look the other way. There was a toll-free number to call, & frequent stories with pictures in the news of bootleg tapes & albums being confiscated & destroyed.

I dropped a dime on many a truck stop selling bootleg 8-tracks, & when next I stopped at one of them for gas, the bootleg 8-track box or rack was gone.

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Scott D. Neff
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*getting in late in the game*

I've seen about 10 movies in the last 3 weeks, and I have to say, hearing the same old story from the same orange-bearded guy gets really old after the second time.

I think the message could have been better communicated through having a variety of ads they could run. Instead of it being "Oh not this guy again."

I wonder though what people are going to think when they STOP seeing these ads at the front of movies. I saw a screening without one and turned to my friend and said "Damn, I should've brought my video camera. Apparently piracy is encouraged during this feature."

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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Bump for Scott... you already ranted here, you theatre dork!

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Emma Tomiak
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Here's something strange...has anyone else noticed that the guy on the Anti-Piracy trailer (David Goldstien makes movies, yada yada yada) is wearing a cap with a skull and bones on it?
Very ammusing.

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Charles Everett
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The AMC Hamilton has installed an NCN digital preshow -- which runs before the trailers much like Regal/UA runs The 20wenty. Guess what's in the NCN digital preshow? The anti-piracy trailer. Only it looks and sounds worse. [Wink]

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Jim Leko
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Yes, it looks horrible. It's funny how they can make popcorn and drinks look nice digitally, but they can't make a decent transfer from film. I couldn't believe when we started playing that in our digital preshow. If you haven't seen it, consider yourself lucky. I get complaints about the picture being out of focus. I have to tell them "sorry, that's just the new digital preshow, the trailers and feature will be fine."

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Aaron Sisemore
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At the NATO Fall/Winter product seminar they debuted (on crappy video no less)the all new and improved 'Anti-Piracy PSA Episode II'(aka 'The Big Lie); this time with a Hollywood stunt man telling us all what a bunch of videotaping theiving pirates we are and that we must respect copyrights... [Razz]

It's coming...thought I'd warn you. [evil]

-Aaron

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Frank Angel
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I don't work in a chain or even a commercial theatre so forgive me if this sounds rudimentary, but what obligation is any theatre under to run these crappy things? They don't come attached to the feature, do they? Are they just sent to the theatre separately, just assuming that the theatre will run them....gratis? Suppose the theatre chooses not to run them at all? Or suppose the theatre insists that the MPAA pay for screen time the same as any merchant has to do if they want their spots played. Personally, I would send these things back COD without even opening them; my second choice would be to charge them for screen time.

Has any theatre simply ignored them?

Frank

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Aaron Sisemore
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quote:
what obligation is any theatre under to run these crappy things?
None legally as far as I know, but if you are a NATO member they [NATO] strongly recommends you place one with each title you are running.

quote:
Has any theatre simply ignored them?
If I were still projecting in a plex, I wouldn't have played them. [Mad]

-Aaron

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Martin Brooks
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Frankly, I don't think the audience could care less about this trailer or any other advertising trailer. I totally agree with Frank that camera recorded bootleg copies are absolutely NOT a threat to the business. Personally, even though Frank makes an excellent point that the people in the theater have obviously not bootlegged or downloaded the film and have paid for their ticket, I still don't find this trailer insulting -- it might not do any good, but I don't think it does any harm. I think it's a much better approach than the heavyhanded RIAA approaches to the problem. And the truth is that if illegal digital downloading of films ever happens in any scale, it will affect jobs in the film industry, just as it has in the record industry. Universal Records, which is probably going to be sold to EMI, announced thousands of layoffs last week.

I'd bet most of the audience wouldn't even remember seeing it. Sometimes I hear a few groans at the number of advertisements and sometimes they'll be a reaction to a new trailer, but most of the time, the audience doesn't react at all to this stuff.

By the way, I attend at least one film a week (in NYC) and maybe I'm not very observant (although I seem to notice scratches, specks, splices, automation cues and reel change dots easily enough), but I never notice the CRAP code. Are they not putting these on prints destined for prime Manhattan theaters?

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They didn't look the other way. There was a toll-free number to call, & frequent stories with pictures in the news of bootleg tapes & albums being confiscated & destroyed.

That's absolutely correct. In fact, at one time American Can owned the Sam Goody record store chain. They got caught dealing with bootlegs and had to sell the chain as a result.

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Frank Angel
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Martin, you are right....most general audiences wouldn't much mind....hell, they sit through inane slide shows and full blown ads and say nothing. I guess I am the one who objects, mainly because I want to be the one who controls my presentation and resent the idea that some third party thinks they can strong arm me into running some sorry promo of their own. I think Aaron is probably right, but I'd still like to find out if they somehow figured out a way to make me legally obligated. I wouldn' tput it past them. What happens if it just sits up on a shelf until it rots?

And, come to think of it, I actually do think my audience would notice. We've coaxed and educated them into differentiating between bad and good presentation, lots of them really get it. We certainly devoted lots of editorial space in our *Scope news letter to why classic films can be seen more than once and why they deserve to be seen in a theatre and not on a 19" tv screen. So they might very well comment about being preached to by this silly trailer and they might ask why I was running it.

But of course that would never happen, because I wouldn't be running it. [Razz]

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