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Author Topic: MPAA, you suck! Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-16-2003 02:36 PM                     I think the point these guys are trying to make is that organizations like NATO are well meaning, but are far too worried about their organization and being politically correct (aka: taking forever to get a simple task done). As a result, if we play by their rules and send in a happy little pc-worded letter, they will read it and nothing will get done. On the other hand if everyone attacked them with various flavors of "you suck" (as Joe recommended), they will throw those out in disgust that someone could actually be so blunt. So either way, we're screwed if it's up to organizations like that and we are back to blowing up the Deluxe Labs building.  |  IP: Logged Ron Keillor Expert Film Handler Posts: 166 From: Vancouver, B.C. Canada Registered: Jul 2003 posted 12-16-2003 02:47 PM                     Educate your local reviewers. Once they see the code, they will look for it on further occasions so as not to look ignorant and then comment. Company heads listen to shareholders who read newspapers and then complain about the value of their stock falling. This is a roundabout route, but sometimes effective.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-16-2003 02:50 PM                        I basically agree with Brad on this, although I would think that if NATO, Deluxe, and <insert distributor name here> were to get large quantities (i.e. thousands) of semi-polite letters (on paper, not email or faxes) over an extended period of time, all of which complained about crap-code and how it ruins movies, someone at one of those organizations might eventually get the idea that something is wrong and needs to be fixed. Even that is kind of unlikely, however. The scary thing is that if people stopped going to movies because they got sick of the crap code, the MPAA would produce a report that blamed the drop in attendance on "evil movie pirates" and would probably come up with something much worse, thus perpetuating the cycle. And they'd probably convince Technicolor and other non-Deluxe labs to go along with it, too, so it would go from being a one-lab issue to being much more widespread. Thankfully, I deal mostly with art-house titles which, for the most part, aren't crap-coded.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 12-16-2003 03:22 PM                  Is this intentional image damage limited to just one distributor? Which one(s)? >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 12-16-2003 03:41 PM                     Honestly, I can't imagine that the MPAA or anyone else would be concerned with anything that the we have to say. If customers or the average Joe started complaining about it then maybe they would listen. Why would they care that the people showing the movie has a problem with something? People are still paying to see the movie. I say that you make up flyers to inform your customers about the coding and persuade them to email the MPAA and tell them that they have a problem with it. It's kind of like when you have a lazy co worker and you complain to the boss about it and he or she brushes you off, but when one customer complains about the lazy worker, that guy is toast.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 12-16-2003 04:24 PM                  Perhaps as part of the "What's Showing" telephone announcement: "In theatre 92, we are pleased to present 'Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King' in Dolby Digital EX surround sound. This blockbuster is shown in the trendy and highly artistic orange-dot crap code process. Please go to the New Line Cinema Message Boards on the internet and let them know how much you enjoyed this revolutionary concept. Showtimes are..." >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 12-16-2003 09:40 PM                     quote: Is this intentional image [assuming you are referring to CRAP code... -AS] damage limited to just one distributor? Which one(s)? At present the CRAP code is just on the prints from DeLuxe (Hollywood AND Toronto) whose services the following distributors use: Artisan New Line/Fine Line Paramount Fox/Fox Searchlight Sony Universal (some titles) Miramax/Dimension Focus Features and other indies that use DeLuxe printing services. -Aaron  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-16-2003 09:48 PM                     Aaron writes, "At present the CRAP code is just on the prints from DeLuxe (Hollywood AND Toronto)." Please see my images on page 13 of TES's new CAP code from Seabiscuit. It's not as bad as the Deluxe CAP code; I can't subjectively decide whether it worth complaining over. For one thing the pattern is much more sparse. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 12-16-2003 09:51 PM                  Thanks Aaron. John, that's all well and good...but the question was what are the distributors. The lab is not the evil one here. I'm sure they are just "following orders"... >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-16-2003 09:53 PM                     Sure, Phil, but basically everyone who doesn't use Deluxe uses TES. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 12-16-2003 10:32 PM                  Then why don't you help out and answer the question rather than being so difficult? >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-16-2003 11:22 PM                     John, Seabiscuit was printed 6 months ago. I haven't seen anything major like that since from Technicolor. However every single damned print coming out of Deluxe Labs has the CRAP code. I believe it was John Pytlak who mentioned in the past that the marks like you posted on your Seabiscuit and earlier frame grab was probably caused by the CAP coding machine being set up incorrectly or something along those lines. That would explain why the Seabiscuit thing happened...an accident. Deluxe has severe registration issues with their prints. They also seem to be "lab splice happy", as reels from Deluxe over the last several months are covered in lab splices. And then on top of that, we have this bastardized version of the CAP code they are putting on every print. The problem here is Deluxe.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 12-16-2003 11:31 PM                    I didn't notice any crap code on My print that I wached of Return of the king. Either their was just so much going on or it just wasn't noticable.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-16-2003 11:33 PM                     Which lab, Darryl? --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 12-16-2003 11:37 PM                    To be honest I can't remember will check it tomorrow and post it. It could have been Technicolor because the leaders didn't have that familure delux lab look to it.  |  IP: Logged

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