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Floyd Justin Newton
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A-Men !!

FJN

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Gordon McLeod
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You know what then give each critic a individually capcoded ddvd and have them sign a waiver that they are 100% responsible for the financial loss if it is copied and If they will not accept that sue them for refusing to give equal credence to a given title as it would be discrimantory not to

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Phil Hill
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I agree Joe... I've been F*cked outta two Tech "statue" AA cuz of "politics". The hell with ALL of them "Fixed" shows and awards! They are ALL based on "who has the biggest dick" and the most marketing money and most "connections".

>>> Phil

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Mike Blakesley
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The CRAP Code gets another mention in Ebert's Movie Answer Man column this week! Here's the Q&A:

Q. While watching "Kill Bill, Vol. 1," I noticed that several times during the movie, there would be a flash of three or four small dots, arranged in the same formation, lasting only a couple of frames. It could not have been blood spots (my first theory), because this happened even during parts where there was no bloodshed (which were, of course, few and far between). Is this something Tarantino did, or a problem with the print that the theater showed?

Jeremy Gable, Anaheim, Calif.

A. The dots are part of a new studio anti-piracy system that has already been dubbed "Crap Code" by insiders. The Answer Man was right on top of this innovation, with an item in the column for Oct. 5 by Steve Kraus, Chicago projection expert. He says the dots are so large because then they can be seen even on digital versions pirated on the Internet.

The full Answer Man column is at: http://www.suntimes.com/output/answ-man/sho-sunday-ebert19.html

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Adam Martin
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Yeah. Big deal. There's too many award shows anyway. How can these critics properly do their jobs if they're not watching the films the way they were meant to be presented?

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Joe Redifer
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I can only imagine how they would attempt to judge "Best Sound" from their mono RCA television speakers!

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John Pytlak
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From today's Hollywood Reporter:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/film/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=2008400

quote:
Oct. 23, 2003

Study: 77% of movies leaked online tied to biz

By Chris Marlowe
Pirating movies for distribution on the Internet is mostly an inside job.

That is the conclusion reached by a team of researchers from AT&T Labs in a new study that found that 77% of all popular movies being illegally traded over the Internet initially came from people who worked inside the movie industry.

Screeners are certainly one source of insider leaks, but they are hardly the only source. The report found numerous weak links where security is lax throughout the production-distribution pipeline. In particular, it cited such other weak spots as audio and visual editing rooms, outside effects houses and outsourced postproduction.

Once films are finished, marketing and distribution offer other opportunities for insiders to leak films. "The sheer number of people involved at this stage considerably complicated content security," the report said. "Many studio employees have access to the final version."

Other professionals who work outside the studios also have access to finished films before they are released theatrically; they include personnel in marketing, advertising, the media and cinema projectionists.

The study cites Universal Pictures' "The Hulk" as one example. It began circulating on the Internet two weeks before its June 20 theatrical release date in a copy that contained incomplete special effects and other elements. Ultimately, the studio discovered that the source for the illegal copy of the film was a friend of an employee at a print advertising firm that was promoting the movie.

The study arrives as the film industry is embroiled in a controversy over the MPAA's screener ban. "The data does show that the screener copies are contributing to Internet piracy," said Patrick McDaniel, a researcher at AT&T Labs. "But it's important to know that the ban is not going to solve the whole problem, and we have no way of knowing how much it will help."

McDaniel said it was not possible to break down the relative importance of the different links in the chain.

Figures supplied by the MPAA report that last year, its member companies and their subsidiaries sent out copies of 68 titles for awards consideration. Of these, the associations' investigators tracked the source of pirated copies directly to screener copies for 34 films. "We know that awards screeners are in fact a source of piracy, and the screener ban was implemented solely to help prevent that," MPAA spokeswoman Marta Grutka said.

The copying of commercial DVDs accounted for a relatively insignificant amount of the illegal films, the study found, as only 5% of the movies first appeared online after their corresponding DVDs were released.

While some titles appear online weeks before they are released theatrically, on average, the movies first appeared on the Internet 100 days after their theatrical release and 83 days before their DVD release.

Universal Pictures was the hardest-hit studio during the research period, which covered 18 months beginning in January 2002. Fifteen of Universal's 18 releases were pirated. Warner Bros. Pictures came in second, with 78% of its 37 movies turning up for downloading. Only Sony Pictures Classics came out unscathed as none of its seven releases appeared online.

The study also charted the length of time between a film appearing online and its release date. Noticeable spikes in the availability of illegal titles occur during the week before and the week of theatrical release and in the month before the commercial DVD release. McDaniels said this information could be a valuable clue for pinning down the sources.

AT&T Labs' findings were reported in "Analysis of Security Vulnerabilities in the Movie Production and Distribution Process," a paper written by McDaniel and his teammates Simon Byers, Lorrie Cranor and Dave Kormann.

Their work began by listing the 419 movies that had reached the top 50 with the highest boxoffice yield during the 18 months from Jan. 1, 2002-Jun 30, 2003. They eliminated those that were released or screened outside of the United States before their U.S. release. Of the remaining 312 movies, they found 183 of them being illegally traded online.

The researchers then determined what date the movie first appeared on the network, which they did by combing one of the main piracy hubs known as a content verification site. Those sites, as described by the study, act as indexes and provide information including file names, date of uploading, quality and a unique file identification. Then they downloaded a representative segment of each movie.

A checklist of criteria was used to determine the source of the films. Some of the signs the team said indicated "insider sources" include a DVD-quality copy posted before the commercial DVD was available to the public, visible timecodes, the inclusion of watermarking and text reading "property of" studio or "for your consideration." McDaniel said several of the online films also had sound artifacts or editing-room artifacts, like a version of "The Rookie" in which the boom mike could still be seen.

Other movies showed a characteristic combination of poor visual quality but excellent audio quality. McDaniel said this was typical of a projectionist copying the movie from an unused booth window with a digital video camera but getting the sound from a direct jack into the theater's system.

McDaniel added that the research limited itself to one file-swapping network and one content verification site, both of which he said were widely known and used internationally, to ensure that their work could be replicated by other researchers. "So the problem could be even wider than we show because there are other networks," he said.

The MPAA, however, said the use of only one content verification site was a flaw in the methodology. "By doing that, they in effect minimized the impact of camcorder recordings on this problem because most of those sites eliminate the poorest-quality copies," Grutka said. "This could have the effect of exaggerating the percentage of higher-quality films."

The research report ends with recommendations for how the entertainment industry could improve the current situation. It recommended specialized players or extensive digital rights management systems, but these remain expensive and are not yet practical.

"There are some very inexpensive things that can be done and in the near term, but it would require some cultural changes," McDaniel said. "Basically, the industry has to handle material as the millions of dollars of investment it is."

The industry first needs to establish a chain of custody, such as is used to keep track of important legal documents and automotive design development plans, he argued.

"We want to help the movie industry understand what their problems are, and our study supported that the industry had to look at their internal processes to help mitigate these emerging problems with Internet piracy," McDaniel said. "There are a lot of emotional arguments out there. The more information we get, the sooner we can get past these problems."



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Jason Black
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A tad bit after the fact.. BUT...

Jhawk,

PLease see John's post as the proof behind my comment of "knowing" that the underlying problem of piracy stems from insiders... [Smile]

I didn't say I told ya so.. [Big Grin]

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John Hawkinson
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Jason directs me, "Please see John's post as the proof behind my comment of "knowing" that the underlying problem of piracy stems from insiders..."

I'm afraid I cannot see it as "proof." 1) The AT&T study shows that a significant fraction of piracy comes from screeners and related sources; it does not show that other kinds of piracy are insigificant. 2) At the time, I questioned whether you could support your assertions with hard data. That those assertions may turn out to be true does not mean you were except from supplying data at the time. At least, not in my academic analysis. YMMV.

BTW, McDaniel et al's paper (pdf format) is on the web, as is the abstract (html format).

--jhawk

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Joe Redifer
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Please explain to us stupid, non-academic people what YMMV is. Until explained otherwise, I MUST assume it means "Yo Mama Misuses Vasoline"

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John Hawkinson
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Sorry, Joe, it's not an academic term. "Your milage may vary."

--jhawk

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Phil Hill
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Thank you Joe for asking that... I was too embarrassed to ask. I mean, I'm one f*cking intelligent person, Mike told me, but I was at a loss as to what that meant!

Don'tcha just love it when those "out-of-tune" with society things are posted? It makes us ALL think we are clueless to the finer things in life.

>>> Phil

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Gordon McLeod
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Well I also tend to agree that insider's are the source of most pirate DVD's
Just try to take your laptop and PSA video camera into any lab screening room and deal with the security
Interestingly I had to fdisk my harddrive after I did an alignment at a theatre that was doing a pressscreening where the PSA was set up to do the light levels.
Even though it was back in its case before the print arrived the security firm fdisked my laptop because it was connected to the soundsystem to check for print erros with dras10

needless to say the bill got alot bigger now where did I put that software disk to reload

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Jason Black
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John H,

I knew you'd bring up the fact of my 'assertations' prior to this post. Sometimes I tend to do things to stir up the pot, as is evidenced in this post.. [Smile]

I still stand steadfast to my original statement that the main problem in piracy (or the outright pirating of films) is WITHIN the Industry, not within the Consumer level.

I'm sure that this will stir up yet another discussion on the merits therein.

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Jack Ondracek
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All this is well and good. However, the only item that relates to us directly is... What percentage of these "leaks" are connected to trade screenings and "after release" copying? Anything earlier than that is out of our direct control. Accordingly, it's high time the industry start pointing fingers (and suspicion) where it belongs and get off our backs. I've been seeing accusing posts for months about this issue, yet everything seems to point to screeners and earlier processes, none of which I have any influence over.

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