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Frank Angel
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 - posted 12-16-2003 11:48 PM      Profile for Frank Angel   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Angel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I guess my question, "Where's NATO on this" was more rhetorical than serious.....everyone knows where they've got their thumbs stuck. And it's a shame, because in theory, they could be one serious power block; seems they have no idea how much power they could command. Imagine if even only 20% of all screens suddenly became unavailable for the opening of a blockbuster like LOTR?! Seems to me they could have the studios by the tail if they had any balls at all. One thing you've got to hand it to Valenti, the guy sure knew how to use the media to the MPAA's advantage. If the NATO prez were half as good at it as Jack is, the studios wouldn't be running the show the way they do now. At the very least the theatre owners could demand sitdown negotiations with the studios on issues such as crap codes, rather than just bending over and asking, "is this position good for you?" as they do now.

But even more powerful than the unlikelyhood of NATO making a turn-around and finally growing a set, is the spectre of Bad Press. Like I said, get the ear of a nationally prominent reviewer like Leonard Malten or Roger Ebert to reduke a certain studio for putting crap codes in a particular film which they are reviewing, and you'll see how fast the studio stands up and pays attention. One rebuking review on a national TV program could get a whole nation of moviegoers looking for those codes as a kind of cinema sport. And just like change-over cues, once you know they are there, you will never ever again not see them.

Writing, measured, intellegent complaints about the codes to the various industry orgs as well as to the publicity departments at the studios that use the big ugly red ones is good, but also let's send copies to all the local as well as national reviewers. It could only need one negative slam of the codes on a TV program and the thing will become a fire-storm with a life of its own.

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Brad Miller
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Darryl, the CRAP code was indeed on the print, but with so much action and dark scenes, it didn't stand out as badly. ROTK was printed by Deluxe.

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Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 12-17-2003 03:28 AM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
I say that you make up flyers to inform your customers about the coding and persuade them to email the MPAA and tell them that they have a problem with it.
Sure, let's call attention to the coding and ruin the movies for everyone. That'd be good for business. [Roll Eyes]

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John Hawkinson
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 - posted 12-17-2003 03:32 PM      Profile for John Hawkinson   Email John Hawkinson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Various comments:
  • I addressed Phil's comments to me in private e-mail, but it was not my intention to be difficult.
  • I don't think Brad is correct about the Seabiscuit CAP codes being potential Kodak CAP misconfigurations. John P. had previously suggested some of the early very out-of-focus new CAP codes I posted images of were misconfigurations ("knocked out of focus") or "a different [non-Kodak] version of CAP code" (see "What are these spots?").
    It seems unlikely to me that the Seabiscuit CAP codes are misconfigurations (especially because of the number of consecutive frames), but I'm sure it will become clear with time.
  • ROTK has Deluxe CAP coding on R5 (in Minas Tirith), but it is very infrequent. I only noticed 5 or 6 instances, and they were not terribly distracting (at least, not compared to other films); compare this with the 20-30 instances we've seen in other films.
  • Do we have any theories how the number of CAP coded frames is decided upon? It does not seem to have an obvious corelation with the brightness of the reel, likelyhood of piracy, studio, or print number (at least, not that I have noticed).
--jhawk

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Manny Knowles
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 - posted 12-17-2003 06:08 PM      Profile for Manny Knowles   Email Manny Knowles   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What is Kodak's position on using the term "CAP Code" when referring to other systems?

For instance, "Deluxe CAP Coding." Is that really the name Deluxe uses?

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John Pytlak
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The details of each lab's coding method are proprietary, as is the timing and placement of the watermarks.

The original Kodak CAP Code that I helped develop in 1982 is deliberately random, and in shifting locations, and can be repeated hundreds of times within a feature.

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Chris Hipp
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quote:
Sure, let's call attention to the coding and ruin the movies for everyone. That'd be good for business.
That's the point, nothing will happen unless it affects the bottom line. If theater owners took a stand and said they would not run the damaged prints then perhaps something would happen. Who is going to do that? Someone on here said way back that you will get used to a turd in your hat if you wear it long enough, I think thats the case here, unless a large portion of theater owners are willing to make sacrifices. Not likely

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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 12-18-2003 07:33 AM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John, is your genuine CAP code rendered useless by the sort of murky, off-screen, high compression pirated copies that are said to be typical today? I don't think anything justifies the sort of extreme, audience-annoying measures everyone is railing against but is there justification that they tried to do something to make the watermarks readable in all forms?

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Joe Redifer
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I think that's the point of the new code, Steve. With MPEG, it is sometimes hard to even recognize someone's face if it's not a relative close up. MPEG = Yechh. SVCD = not too much better.

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Manny Knowles
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John: Do you know if Deluxe and/or the other labs have given names to their anti-piracy coding technologies?

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Thomas Procyk
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quote:
Trying to disrupt business by your suggestion of "...Let's swamp all the organizations..." is not likely to convince those who can make beneficial changes, and will reduce your credibility.
Oh, and CRAP code is not disrupting business?!? Maybe business NEEDS to be disrupted. When calm, "professional" (i hate that word. It was invented by corporations just like "excellence") and credible letters don't work, maybe it's time that we take things a step further. Whatever that step may be is up to the people in charge and how they choose to handle or not handle the problem they are presented with.

Also, "swamping with letters" doesn't necessarily mean RUDE or "unprofessional" letters, it just means a lot of freaking letters. One or two from a few people won't change anything, no matter how much they make you believe it will. However, if they got just ONE from everyone on this site, it would certainly get their attention on the matter. And if it doesn't, maybe a melted reel in the cans will. [Smile]

Taking a bit from Howard Beale in "Network": "I want everyone to send a telegram to the MPAA saying 'I want the Crap Code stopped NOW!' A million telegrams... by 10pm tonight, I want them KNEE-DEEP in telegrams denouncing every god damn thing that's wrong with this 'Code' in the whole godless world! I want the Crap Code stopped NOW! I want the Crap Code stopped NOW! I want the---*collapse*..."

And Brad,
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So either way, we're screwed if it's up to organizations like that and we are back to blowing up the Deluxe Labs building.
You should know by now that terrorism doesn't work. People shout, and write, and rally, and protest, and get laughed at. Then when a suicide bomber blows up a building, "What do they want? Why did they do this? Faceless Cowards!" No one will get the message...

=TMP=

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Richard Greco
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Brad Miller
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 - posted 12-18-2003 01:47 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Tom, something tells me a bomb wouldn't go off with no one around. On the contrary, there would be cheers and applause from a large group of happy people standing around the building. [Razz]

(By the way, since I know there are enough stupid people out there who are incapable of getting the joke, no I am really not suggesting anyone literally blow up the building.)

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Scott Norwood
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Out of curiousity: are the prints that play at the MPAA screening room crap-coded?

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Bill Gabel
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No, Most of the time they are original answer prints. Not the stuff you guys get in the theatres.

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