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Frank Angel
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 - posted 12-19-2003 06:16 AM      Profile for Frank Angel   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Angel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I say, get the projectionists who run the clips they show at the Academy Awards to switch reels at the last minute, substituting ones with Crap Codes on every clip. THAT should burst the blood vessels in a bunch of studio execs' brains! [evil]

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Darryl Spicer
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But don't they use DLP now for running the clips at the Academy awards.

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Mathew Molloy
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 - posted 12-20-2003 08:39 PM      Profile for Mathew Molloy   Email Mathew Molloy   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When I saw ROTK at AMC's Avco a couple days ago the cap code in reel 5 was quite obvious and appeared 3-4 times. The print must have been a regular print as there were a lot of lab splices throughout as well.

Last night I saw the same film at the Arclight and it must have been a select print. Besides not having any obvious lab splices the cap code in reel 5 was nearly undetectable. I only saw it twice and both times it was in a dark spot in the middle of a frame right before a change of scene. The dots looked smaller too.

It's interesting that cap codes in select prints are less obvious than regular prints. Of course I'm assuming what I saw was a select print.

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Bill Gabel
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Show Prints and Select Prints are better than the regular prints they make and ship to theatres.

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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 12-22-2003 05:46 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What is a "select" print? I've had EK prints and "show prints," which as far as I know are the same thing (prints off the original negs). I don't think I've ever gotten anything labelled as a "select print." Is it just a regular release print that has been pre-screened, or is there something different about the printing or processing that makes it better?

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Bill Gabel
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Sometimes it depends on the lab, but it's basically the same thing. In Hollywood/Westwood the first run houses would get two prints when they opened a feature. The theatre would get a Show Print and a Back-up print. The first print would be the print to use and second would sit stand-by in the the booth. It would most of the time be a regular release print. Other first run theatres in the area would only get one print. It all depended on the theatre as to who got a select prints. When I would do print checks of a feature, sometimes the lesser graded prints would be send to the Drive-Ins.

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Mathew Molloy
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I'm probably using Technicolor's term for a showprint. Booking info. and cans that say "REG" are the regular prints and "SEL" are the showprints. AFAIK.

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John Hawkinson
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It's my understanding that a "select print" is not necessarily an EK print, but rather is a print that has had some special attention payed to it. That special attention might be grading by Dolby's distribution group, or more careful grading from the lab, or it might simply be a print in a special pool that bookers only send to some theatres.

So, a priori, I don't think you can assume it means any particular thing, but it may be evident from leader inspection or knowledge of how a particular studio handles their "select" prints.

--jhawk

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John Pytlak
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THX, Dolby, and others work with the labs in evaluating, classifying, and certifying release print quality. Here are the THX guidelines:

http://www.cybertheater.com/News_Views/THX_TAP/thx_tap.html

quote:
REEL REVIEW

After the answer print is finalized, the printing laboratory is ready to manufacture release prints. The two main release print manufactures in the United States are Technicolor in North Hollywood, and Deluxe in Hollywood, California. Deluxe also has a facility in Toronto, Canada, and there are several Technicolor locations outside the US, including London and Rome. On average, TAP reviews the picture and soundtrack of approximately 600 reels per month. At an average of 20 minutes per reel, that is about 200 hours a month, or over eight 24-hour days.

TAP's reel reviewers have a wide range of experience, including editing, post production supervision, and motion picture lab work. The average experience is 7 years, and two reel reviewers have been with TAP since the program's inception.

TAP samples release print reels at the lab, grading them A, B, C, and Reject. An "A" grade reel is perfect, including built-in problems approved on the internegative. A "B" grade reel has minor negative or positive dirt. A and B grade reels can be set aside for select release prints. Some customers have special screenings or certain geographical areas where they want select quality release prints.

"C" grade reel defects include:

o A moderate amount of negative and positive dirt

o Mild developer rubs (yellow streaks in the dark part of the image)

o Splices (clean and well-made, with no more of a minor pop in the sound track)

o Minor color or density shifts from what was approved on the answer print

C grade reels may be acceptable for general release, but not select release areas

Rejects:

Reject Picture (RP). Multiple combinations of C grade problems, e.g., excessive negative and positive dirt or scratches, splices with color shifts and/or loud pops in the sound track, and color or density shifts greater than what was approved in the answer print.

Reject Sound (RS). Any reel with a sound problem, including digital dropouts or failures.

The grading process takes into consideration where on the image the defect shows up -- a blob of dirt on the main character's face is more serious than over a background. The longer a defect lasts, the more severe the effect on the grade. Any problem that draws attention to itself and draws the audience out of the film gets a reject or C grade. Reels with clean splices, for example, get a C grade, automatically.

A customer that uses TAP extensively will have statistically valid, detailed quality information on how the film labs perform film by film, as well as by year by year.

Other links:

LedJer Services

Kodak ScreenCheck

Dolby Distributor Services

Deluxe Labs

Technicolor Labs

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Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

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 - posted 12-23-2003 01:30 PM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't believe that THX has done print selection/grading since the spin-off to Creative and the dissolution of the TAP program.

-Aaron

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John Pytlak
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Still on the THX website.

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Dino Panagiotopoulos
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Apparently the RIAA has come out with their own version of the Public Service Announcements. Its no Manny Perry but I like this one better [Big Grin]

RIAA

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