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John Pytlak
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Even if most film piracy occurs upstream of theatres, theatres need to be vigilant in their print/digital file security procedures and in policing audience attempts at piracy. I wouldn't want to explain why my theatre has been tracked as a source of pirated copies:

http://www.infocusmag.com/03August/prezdesk.htm

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Jim Spohn
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Screw em!! I'm going to start selling blank video tape at the snack-bar.

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John Pytlak
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Jim Spohn wrote:

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Screw em!! I'm going to start selling blank video tape at the snack-bar.

I've met some of those FBI agents working with the MPAA -- they take their job very seriously. [uhoh]

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Brad Miller
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Anyone who would arrest someone over a blank videotape deserves any sort of bad press and lawsuit that would accompany the harassment. The MPAA is all-too-quick to point their finger at someone for being a bad person and take action when there is nothing wrong. We need someone new in charge. The current security procedures we have in the industry are for the most part insulting and non-effective.

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Bill Gabel
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In todays Daily Variety, the Banner Headline says
MPAA: GIVE PEACE A CHANCE

The Winners
  • The Academy: The decision reasserts the org' primacy

    Duplication Facilities: Let the work begin!
    Messenger Services: UPS & FedEx will tote those tapes
    Screning Rooms: More at a premium than ever.
Losers
  • SAG: A key Oscar voting bloc, they're mad as Hell.
    Hollywood Foreign Press,BAFTA: No More screeners for the
    them.

    Niche units: For them it's still a bitch.

    Jack Valenti: He's taking the heat, but it wasn't his
    idea in the first place.

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John Pytlak
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Brad wrote:

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Anyone who would arrest someone over a blank videotape deserves any sort of bad press and lawsuit that would accompany the harassment.
I was not suggesting that Mr. Spohn be arrested, but just responding to his flippant comment. Worldwide law enforcement is very serious about prosecuting piracy. The entire motion picture industry needs to fight piracy, WHATEVER its source. No one is "pointing fingers", just trying to enlist the help of everyone who works in the movie industry to monitor and report suspected illegal activity, and take necessary security measures for the materials under their control.

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Phil Hill
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John, it appears to me, most time that you do not support us end-of-the-line people but rather gravel to the big $ studio/production people. I can somewhat understand that, since I'm sure most of Kodak's biz comes from those types. But, sometimes, it gets annoying. Sorry to be so blunt, just my own personal feelings.

Remember, the "bootleggers" are just a "serious" about what they are doing as the "Enforcer" is.... That certainly isn't a reason not to have a sense of humor about it all...

Also in the last year or so, I have sent you several personal and biz emails to your "official" email address. Please at least respond to the last one regarding the print year code. I would really like an answer. ( I would have emailed you this, but I probably wouldn't have got an answer.)

>>> Phil

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From Variety, 10/24/03 Article here.

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Posted: Thurs., Oct. 23, 2003, 3:36pm PT

MPAA: Give peace a chance

Acad-only plan scrambles fans and foes

By CATHY DUNKLEY, TIMOTHY M. GRAY


Now that the decision is made, don't assume that the argument is over.
After vociferous opposition from various sectors of the film community, the MPAA and the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences jointly confirmed they had reached a compromise to the screener ban Thursday.

The plan will allow screener copies of pics in contention for 2003 honors to be sent to Academy members only in videocassette format with procedures in place to protect them, as predicted (Daily Variety, Oct. 21). It is left to the studios to decide whether to watermark and encrypt VHS screeners and which films to send out.

The compromise plan, which the MPAA and Academy drew up and which has been signed by the MPAA's signatory companies, is at this stage limited to a one-year term.

However, time is of the essence. Most years, the studios have screener plans in place by this time; this is a shorter-than-usual Oscar season, which adds pressure. On Thursday, most studio execs said they haven't decided yet if they'll send out screeners, or of how many titles.

Reaction to the announcements (the MPAA and the Acad sent out separate releases) was mixed. Some applauded the plan. But indie film companies were angry that their concerns were not addressed.

The Screen Actors Guild sent a letter to MPAA topper Jack Valenti, expressing "personal dismay and institutional disappointment" at the exclusion of the 2,100 SAG nominating committee members and urging everyone "to reconsider your improvident decision." The letter was signed by SAG prez Melissa Gilbert and national exec director Robert Pisano.

Others in the film biz expressed fatigue. One studio exec sighed, "I'm fine with any decision, I just want this whole thing to be over."

However, as part of the compromise the studios pledged to organize "special screenings for other award ceremony groups."

The Academy's central role in the announcement is a new twist. Though the org was at the center of the controversy, it wasn't involved in the original announcement when the studios and MPAA planned a complete ban of screeners. Both organizations Thursday stressed the motivation remains to defeat piracy but both conceded that the revised plan was in part motivated by the level of opposition they have received since the ban was announced,

Under the new plan, each Academy member will be asked to sign a pledge to the Academy that he or she will not allow the videocassette screeners out of their individual homes and will not pass them along to relatives and friends. The studio will messenger the screener to the home or office of the voter, who will designate one person to sign for it.

The Academy will messenger this agreement to all its members Friday.

The agreement authorizes the Acad to convey the member's name and address to the studios, which will then decide which screeners to send out or whether to send out any screeners at all.

This is the first time that the Acad has supplied the names of voters to any studio. However, voters are not required to return this, meaning that it could be all 5,800 voting members, or only a fraction of them who are on the list. The Acad will only supply the names of those who agree to the plan.

If a pirated screener is found connected to a member, that person will be immediately expelled from the Academy.

"This is a severe penalty and provides a level of comfort regarding custody of these tapes, which is unique to members of the Academy," said Valenti and AMPAS president Frank Pierson in a joint statement.

Pierson was traveling Thursday and unavailable for comment. But Bruce Davis, executive director of the Academy added: "We're not a detective agency. The MPAA will have to come to us with airtight proof that a particular screener, which can be traced to an Academy member, became the basis of a pirated version. If that individual is found to be guilty, we will expel them."

Davis said the Academy board would decide on expulsion and beyond that, "we are not going to take legal action, nor are we in a position to, but the rights-holders might."

Watermarking and encryption of screeners sent out are at the individual studios' discretion, Valenti told Daily Variety.

"All the companies have reserved the right to watermark tapes using whatever methods they choose to use," he said. "That's in the hands of the studios. Once the Academy gets the member's signature and sends it to the studios, they are no longer involved."

Studio execs are mulling how to deal with screeners. Nobody contacted had firmed any contingency plans for duplicating titles, waiting for a final decision on whether they'd be allowed to send out tapes. Several studio people said Thursday that they were not sure if they'd send out cassettes. "The honchos are still resisting this idea," one studio exec said. "They've never liked screeners and they don't like this compromise."

Some studio people however said they were fine with the decision and said they were appalled at some groups' "sense of entitlement," behaving as if they are being denied something that is their right.

Sources said Fox on Thursday advocated widening the screeners mail-out to any organization that can comply via signed pledges or enforceable sanctions, but that proposal was shot down.

There seems to be a split decision of how studios will handle this. Some predicted that studios are likely to cut back on the numbers of films sent out. Others said it will be all or nothing, that some studios will not pick and choose among their titles, but will either embrace the screener OK or refrain from mailings altogether.

Meanwhile, the specialty divisions of the majors said they were mystified by the decision and upset that the statements did not directly address the concerns they'd expressed in the last few weeks. The specialty divisions are understood to be meeting Friday and may issue a statement.

One insider said they would be working to mobilize high-level Academy members to boycott the signed agreements.

About two weeks after the initial announcement of a complete screener ban, the Academy was at the center of so much dialogue that Pierson phoned Valenti with their plans for how this might work. "The key was an agreement with members and the Academy's willingness to put teeth into it," Davis said. Pierson also praised Valenti saying he had "worked like a man possessed to see that this compromise stayed alive."

Valenti too said Thursday that he had become "concerned at the level of opposition from the finest people in our business, all of whom are friends of mine."

Asked why this was restricted to AMPAS members only, Valenti responded that the Academy was singular in that it has under its canopy every element in the business -- for example, actors, writers, directors, set designers, below-the-line talent and publicists whose membership is global.

He said the second consideration was what he called the Academy's "willingness to do something Draconian," if a screener is pirated. "Anyone in the Academy treasures that membership," Valenti said, "and the idea of being expelled is nauseous. I would be horrified if I had to give up my membership."

"The best copyright you can have is to keep the screener out of the hands of a pirate by keeping it in someone's home."

Valenti also stressed that the idea for the compromise was also not to pass value judgments on particular releases. "Under this plan, all films are treated as equals. There can be no misread of the purpose of this initiative, which is the long-term health of this industry for films large and small," Valenti said.

(David Rooney contributed to this report.)


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Mike Blakesley
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Why don't they just adopt a policy such as: If a film is playing in less than, say, 1000 theatres, screeners allowed. If a film is in wider release, no screeners.

The major releases are in every large town, so the acad members could see them in theatres. The smaller releases could have screeners sent out.

My "1000" number above could be adjusted of course, I just picked a ballpark figure.

I also realize that some unscrupulous studio types would alter their release schedules so the "wide release" wouldn't happen until after the deadline.

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Brad Miller
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quote:
I was not suggesting that Mr. Spohn be arrested, but just responding to his flippant comment. Worldwide law enforcement is very serious about prosecuting piracy.
I know John. You have said that hundreds of times. I heard you the first, second, third, forth and all the way up to a few hundred times into that comment. You could just add that to your signature, ya know. [Wink]

We all know how serious these industry people are about stopping piracy. We also know how insulting their actions are becoming and how ineffective they really are. Just watch. Piracy will go down a little bit, then shoot right back up as bootleggers learn how to get around the new security. Even security at trade screenings is a joke. Like I have said before, it is a false sense of security and nothing more.

The MPAA needs to put their efforts on the studios, or the studios need to take responsibility for their own foolish actions (screener tapes, various video copies during production, etc). Most people I've spoken to are so put out with the Valenti group shoving the blame down theater owners/staff's throat that the recent attitude is "fuck 'em. Let someone bootleg the stupid movie."

It is the wrong approach.

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John Pytlak
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Phil:

I've always tried to respond to all private e-mails in a timely manner. The ONE you sent about that obscure date code came just as I was getting back from ShowEast with the backlog of being away from the office for a week, and then preparing for and attending a week-long worldwide engineering meeting in Rochester, so I didn't have time to dig into decades-old records of that particular date code. It doesn't fit any of the information in my files, so I will need to check other areas, and even other manufacturing plants. Sorry for the delay.

You should know better than to say:

quote:
John, it appears to me, most time that you do not support us end-of-the-line people but rather gravel to the big $ studio/production people.
I find that statement a personal insult. [Mad]

I am sincere in my feelings about movie piracy. Part of the reason is that I have been involved in fighting piracy for over 25 years, and have seen first hand how pervasive and damaging it is to the industry I have spent my career trying to help improve.

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Phil Hill
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John, as we discussed in chat this evening, my comments are my personal thoughts and in no way are meant as an insult or to be demeaning to you in any manner. On the contrary, I highly respect you, your knowledge, and your industry position.

As I mentioned, we are all on the same side of this issue. It just gets a little rubbing to constantly being reminded of Kodak's position. We ALL get it. It seems many times you treat us as though we were unruly teenagers or 10 y/o's.

Also, the last email I sent you was sent to you on 10/05/2003...almost 3 weeks ago. I know you are busy, but a "looking into it" or a "go to hell" reply would have been really appreciated... BTW: my 1st email that went unanswered was sent 03/07/2003… FYI.

Please let me know what part of my post personally offended you. It was not my intention. I will see if I can re-word it and still get my point across. Or just drop it all and move on? Your call.

>>> Phil

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Chris Hipp
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So, what have we learned from this thread?

1. The Dots SUCK
2. They seem to come from the Deluxe Hollywood lab
3. Don't say anything to John Hawkinson unless you have your research handy
4. Piracy comes from both before and after the print is released
5. This topic is about as interesting as "Neumade Vs. CIR"

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John Pytlak
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Phil:

Thank you for the apology. The offending phase was:

quote:
...most time that you do not support us end-of-the-line people but rather gravel to the big $ studio/production people.
You then went on to complain publicly about being slow to respond to your question about an unusual date code, which has nothing to do with the matter at hand. As we discussed last night, I have been unusually busy since before ShowEast. Brad knows this too, since he's patiently waiting for me to caption dozens of photos from ShoWest that he sent me a few weeks ago. Your note about the obscure date code will take time to research and answer properly. I TRY to answer personal notes in a timely fashion, and I know I've usually responded promptly to your notes (e.g., the notes about Eric at iWERKS), but with hundreds of correspondence a day crossing my desk, some may fall through the cracks. If so, I apologize for those I've missed or been slow to answer.

As far as sounding like a broken record on movie piracy, I have a passion about fighting the harm this is doing to the industry, having been involved since I worked on the original Kodak CAP code team in the late 1970's. I could argue that others here are likewise sounding like a broken record criticizing the MPAA and their approaches to fighting piracy. Let's fight piracy together, and not fight each other.

Let's leave the original postings as they stand, so people understand the original thread and how we are still friends with differing views. [Smile]

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Joe Redifer
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quote:
John Pytlak wrote:
Let's fight piracy together, and not fight each other.

Perhaps someone could work on getting this message across to the MPAA? That way instead of harrassing theaters we could help eachother.

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Manny Knowles
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Steve K wrote:

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Let us not fret the details. Crapcode has now acquired the permanence of ink & paper publication!
I'M FAMOUS!!!

Um...No, I'm not. Apparently somebody else beat me to that expression in the CAP Code thread that John P referenced with a link.

Wow. Small world.

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