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Author Topic: Technicolor to stop using reel bands Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-10-2004 02:17 AM                     The prints I have received without reel bands are coming unraveled during shipping because: A. they are reusing the original lab tape that was holding the leaders down. (They have to unroll the leaders to check title/reel number/audio language.) or B. they are using very short strips of white tape of about 2 inches. That's just not enough for transit across the country. I got a used print in for the summer kid's film series and it was only secured with the little 1.5 inch wide IC sticker! All but one reel had it's leaders come loose during shipping. Not cool.  |  IP: Logged Alan Dallas Film Handler Posts: 48 From: Prescott Valley, AZ Registered: Jul 2004 posted 07-10-2004 04:35 AM                     Ever since I started working projection at Harkins they had a in house procedure long before I got there for the bands you would get on reels from TES. Toss them out. They were either broke when we got them, strings wrapped around the spool, the button or string broke when attemping to reuse them. Waste of time when the company(Harkins) only gives you so many hours to get your film work done. The procedure we use when breaking down is to place 4 to 5 inches of Scotch® General Purpose Masking Tape 234 to secure the leader(centered). The adhesive material used on the 234 is a Rubber Resin. Lets you pull the tape off with out leaving residue. The length we use should be more than enough to keep the leader secure. We always get the 3M stuff. Don't go for the cheap masking tape, it just dosen't hold.  |  IP: Logged Richard Greco Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1180 From: Plant City, FL Registered: Nov 2003 posted 07-10-2004 08:11 AM                     Every single reel of King Arthur had the leaders loose. Luckily none of them got damaged but there just isn't enough tape to keep them attatched. At this point, I actually miss the reel bands. Why is it that ETS knows what they're doing?  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 07-10-2004 01:01 PM                     Well, ETS has been shipping without reel bands for a long time now, they've had a lot more practice at doing it right.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-10-2004 02:56 PM                     So, what happened to the machine-printed tape? Has anyone gotten that on a TES print? TES prints travel a lot more than ETS prints do, but that doesn't seem sufficient to account for it. I will try to pay more attention the next time I see ETS prints that have travelled, rather than come from the local depot.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-10-2004 06:01 PM                     I have been sent ETS prints from all over the country for studios who want a "full blown" inspection. I can vouch that when the prints come from the two coasts to Texas, the leaders are frequently mangled and loose in the cans. Shorter strips of tape work fine when they come out of the Dallas ETS depot, but you just never know where that print will go next. Both ETS and TES need to listen here...6 inches of brand new never reused Artist's tape minimum. That's at least 3 inches on each side of the tip edge of the leader. That's what it takes to protect the film.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 07-10-2004 06:51 PM                        This is probably a trivial point, but I always used to fold over about a centimetre of masking tape on the upper tip side of the head spacing, to create a tab with which the next projectionist could just pull the tape off without needing to scrape the end up with a fingernail.  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 07-11-2004 12:53 AM                        Got my print of Anchorman that way. (whine) No problems with the tape (it was new), but is was somewhat of a pain to find the reel numbers. They weren't in the can in sequence, and reading them through the leader meant sometimes going through a couple layers of film to see them. (/whine)  |  IP: Logged John T. Hendrickson, Jr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 889 From: Freehold, NJ, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-12-2004 04:52 PM                     From the TES fax: "The tape used will be higher grade of tape than is used by the films labs to bond the film reels before shipping to distribution centers. That tape is discarded, and we use a high grade PF2, printable paper flat back tape that is 5.8 mil thick. It has a natural, rubber adhesive that removes cleanly from a wide range of applied conditions, including film stock. Four-inches of tape will be applied and our employees will be trained to centrally postion two-inches of tape on each end." Plain and simple: BULLSHIT! I've waited for several prints to come in without the reel bands and now feel moved to comment. All sorts of different things are at work here. Tape from the film labs discarded? I don't think so. They were left on in many cases, with additional tape applied overtop. They use a high grade PF2? Not always. I got some reels fastened with plain old masking tape. Four inches will be applied? You got to be kidding me! Many reels fastened with two inches max. I've received new prints where the tape has come off several reels, and the leader spewed all over the can. I've had experiences similar to Chris Hipp and Brad, and this operation has been going on less than a month!! It seems that it all depends on which jackass is mounting ( ?) the reels. No way are all these people being trained in the same manner. Are you lurking distributors???? This is what you are paying for. Or don't you care ??  |  IP: Logged Mark Gist Film Handler Posts: 9 From: Anaheim, CA, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 07-12-2004 11:18 PM                        I think i got some of this "new tape", (or maybe it's something else) from TES on a disney print last month, has "CINETYP" printed on the tape, and is yellow. This stuff really sucks, about 2 inches in length, and a 1/2 inch in width. Seem's to do the job, but once you take it off it looses most of it's stickiness, so you just know in the future your going to find prints where someone tried to re-use the tape, it just doesn't work, I see allot of damaged prints in the future. Yeah I do agree that reel band's can be real pain in the ass, but it's better than getting prints with leaders loose  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 07-13-2004 05:30 AM                        quote: Mark Gist I think i got some of this "new tape", (or maybe it's something else) from TES on a disney print last month, has "CINETYP" printed on the tape, and is yellow. Cinetyp is normally involved when prints are subtitled or provided in foreign language versions: http://www.cinetyp.com/ quote: Cinetyp's presence in the U.S. began in 1980. Over the past two decades, the company has subtitled more than 3,000 films. Cinetyp's Hollywood lab has grown into a large, hi-tech operation, located in the heart of the Los Angeles entertainment industry. Cinetyp proudly serves the subtitling and captioning needs of motion picture studios and video production companies of all sizes  |  IP: Logged Steve Scott Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1300 From: Minneapolis, MN Registered: Sep 2000 posted 07-13-2004 01:38 PM                     Maybe I can send you some of the excess tape that I've been getting from TES. Still, about six to eight inches of tape on the last few releases from them.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gist Film Handler Posts: 9 From: Anaheim, CA, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 07-13-2004 05:10 PM                        haha, ok that makes sense  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 07-30-2004 12:34 AM                     Both our prints of 'The Village' came in much better condition than previous reel-bandless Technicolor prints. They both had 6-8" of tape securing the film in addition to the promised printed labels. The labels weren't peelable but since they weren't positioned over the reel end that is fine with me. We weren't booked for 'Thunderbirds' this week so I didn't get to see in what condition that came in. Anyone else notice an improvement?  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-30-2004 06:31 AM                     The current (as in last week or two) TES standard is 6 inches minimum of 1/2" Artist's tape or 5 inches minimum of 3/4" Artist's tape. The management at the depot in Ohio have been working overtime lately trying to get all issues corrected and improve their service. If you see a print arriving without this minimum amount of tape (or other packing issues), please call the 1-800-99-FILMS hotline and let whoever answers know along with the name of the movie and print number. They can then track down which employees packed the film and make sure that they are following the policy. Same goes for QC inspected prints if you get something in poor shape. They need to know in order to be able to improve their service.  |  IP: Logged

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