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Monte L Fullmer
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Platter transport to the left of the machine/console is called "gear side" platters, and the opposite is called "operator, or driver's side" platters.

Lot of theatres uses the "gear side" for the sake of having a open path from machine to operator so the operator isn't going to get himself all tangled up in the film coming overhead and down by his feet.

The obvious advantage of the "drivers side" platter is that if there is a mis-start or have to make a sudden shutdown, one can spin around and immediately grab the platter deck before the film wants to do nasty things and make your life miserable for the rest of the day..(unless that platter is 'miles' away from the machine...then you're seriously screwed in any case...lol..)

If you have such a messy wiring configuration at that theatre, and with "gear side" platters, take your leads over the top guidance roller, then feed the leads down across the front of the machine and reach under, when you see the end of the lead and grab the head of the lead then pull it back to the platter. This, what I call, a "square" threading configuration - being the thread path is in the square shape.

I use, what I call, the "triangle" load being that I don't go down to the lower guidance roller but grab the lead and bring it straight down to the lower roller on the platter tower.

Now, if you're going to reverse thread, one must do the "square" load so to keep the leads hitting the floor.

thx-Monte

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John Hawkinson
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[uhoh] The side opposite the operator's/operating side is known as the "driving side" or the "drive side," because thats where the gears that drive the projector are. I don't think it's advisable to use the term "driver's side" -- its too confusing.

(See, for instance, the Century C manual, for examples of this terminology).

--jhawk

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Monte L Fullmer
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Where "driver's side" came from was from one of my operator's where I was projection manager.

...aren't we "driving",or operating a projector?

-Monte

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Brad Miller
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I fail to see why "operator side" and "non-operator side" isn't easier and less confusing.

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Monte L Fullmer
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..maybe less syllables to speak...using a simple visual term (gear, and operator's side), easier words to use (for the high school trainees and the MO's..) and still want to get the message across..

..just personal preference that I've used and trained with.

-thx Monte

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Manny Knowles
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I usually say "gear side" and "operating side."

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Richard Greco
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My tech told me last week that in the Chicago Union houses, changeovers btw, that they would thread the leader from the top reel, to the floor, thread the projector, and then take up whats on the floor on the bottom reel.

He also says that it doesn't matter if leader gets dirty or not. It won't go on the film.......HE says. Not me. Anyways, thought you'd like to know.

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Monte L Fullmer
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...Going back to "reverse threading" - This time for the owners of the Simplex/5-Star configuration:

I took the liberty of taking some pictures at the theatre that I work at and share with those who seems to have the 'all thumbs' syndrome in figuring out how to lace one of these monsters up backwards.

1 - lace the film as such from platter to machine and back to platter through both upper and lower guidance rollers. This example is with the "operator (driver's) side" system layout, and do the same for the "gear side" system layout as well.

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2 - lace the film through the failsafe, then around the lower holdback sprocket and close the pad roller assembly.

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3 - lace the film around the snub roller, the front roller, around the scanner drum, lock the pressure roller, then around the middle constant speed sprocket and lock down the pad roller assembly.

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4 - with the intermittent sprocket locked, lace the trap. If the sprocket is locked and when you frame in the trap, the lower loop is automatically set to size, so no adjusting is needed.

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5 - With trap closed, then make your upper loop, close the pad roller assembly and finish off with the digital readers, if applicable.

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Give this a whirl. Granted, this can be confusing at the first, but with a few more tries, one can almost make this practice as second nature.

thx-Monte

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Brad Miller
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One correction there Monte...

quote: Monte L Fullmer
1 - lace the film as such from platter to machine and back to platter through both upper and lower guidance rollers. This example is with the "operator (driver's) side" system layout, and do the same for the "gear side" system layout as well.
No, do not do this. Make a triangle out of the film when threading the platter by BYPASSING the lower guidance roller. When you run through that roller, you almost always end up bouncing the film across the floor. The film should be put in that lower roller only right as you are threading the failsafe/clamping the film to the holdback sprocket. Watch as someone threads like that and you will see what I mean...the leader almost always hits the floor when that lower roller is used.

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My tech also says that it doesn't matter if leader gets dirty or not. It won't go on the film.
Richard, you might as well stop bothering to quote your tech. It's painfully obvious to everyone reading these forums that he is a certified F'ing moron with those kind of instructions and attitude towards quality presentations.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Brad Miller
Make a triangle out of the film when threading the platter by BYPASSING the lower guidance roller
That'll work as well. Thx for the help.

Thx-Monte

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Scott Norwood
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quote: Richard Greco
My tech told me last week that in the Chicago Union houses, changeovers btw, that they would thread the leader from the top reel, to the floor, thread the projector, and then take up whats on the floor on the bottom reel.

He also says that it doesn't matter if leader gets dirty or not. It won't go on the film.......HE says. Not me. Anyways, thought you'd like to know.


Remind me not to go see movies in Chicago. Is it really that much trouble to hook the film into the takeup reel and wind the first bit of leader onto it (or loop excess leader on the lamphouse douser handle) before threading? Not only does it get the leader dirtier, but it also means threading the outermost (=dirtiest) part of the leader through the projector, thus getting more dirt than necessary inside it. [Mad]

I've never seen or heard of anyone doing something this dumb in any type of booth.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Scott Norwood
I've never seen or heard of anyone doing something this dumb in any type of booth.

...True as always. Yet, when I started in this projecting field back in '69, I was taught this way-to let the film pile on the floor, lace the machine up then secure the end to the takeup reel.

During this time, I began to visit other booths of small single screeners and noticed the operators doing the same as above-piling the leads on the floor.

It wasn't shortly afterwards that I began this trait of after pulling the lead from the supply reel, secure the end to the takeup reel and have enough leader to lace the machine up, thus keeping the lead off the floor.

Then I went to work in a union house where the operators would actually take the lead, pull down the lead and gather the rest of the lead in hand. Then while holding onto this handful of leader while lacing up the machine, then he would secure the end to the takeup reel. Another way to prevent leads of being on the floor. Course, when I operated, I did the secure the end first on the takeup reel then finished the lace as mentioned above.

If this tech that is working on Richard's drive-in, has any credentials of sorts, I wonder what the rest of the theatres that he services are like (but be a nightmare to witness though...)

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
when I started in this projecting field back in '69, I was taught this way-to let the film pile on the floor, lace the machine up then secure the end to the takeup reel.
Same here. I originally learned from two different guys (at the indoor and at the drive in) and they both did it the same way. Both of those guys are now out of the business.

Film-on-the-floor... That's one bad habit I'm happy to say I ditched even before I found Film-Tech.

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Phil Hill
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quote: Manny Knowles
I usually say "gear side" and "operating side."

Ya know Manny...that's the stupidest thing I have EVER heard! How do yous refer to a Christie or a Ballantyne or a Kinoton? I totally agree with Brad and the other professionals:

quote: Brad Miller
I fail to see why "operator side" and "non-operator side" isn't easier and less confusing.


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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Phil Hill
How do yous refer to a Christie or a Ballantyne or a Kinoton?
..I can see your point, Phil and Brad.

But, of course, belts, enclosed mechanisms and chains are actually newcomers to the world of the gear driven machines of Powers, Brenkhert, Motiograph, Century and finally Simplex. (whoops, forgot about those chain driven DeVrys..lol)

Being raised with some of these old "fellers," comes the 'gear side' and 'operating side' terminology that I've been accustomed with.

thx-Monte

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