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Author Topic: DTS discs not arriving with Prints Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-21-2007 09:33 PM                     quote: Ron Curran The $20,000 jobs we have at the cinema won’t guarantee digital sound at any time. No, But the $85,000 dollar D-Cinema units that will be replacing your archaic film gear down the road will guarantee it. Like I said in my post DTS complaints can go to: postproduction@dts.com Mark  |  IP: Logged Ron Curran Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 504 From: Springwood NSW Australia Registered: Feb 2006 posted 10-21-2007 10:43 PM                        Mark, my point is that you don’t have to beg your dvd retailer/renter to give you digital sound with your image or akk him if the digital track has worn off. While we are in the domestic domain, what is the difference between the decoders in home stuff and the ones inside the cinema boxes? And yes, our cinema server plays digital sound every time, but in Australia most features will be coming on film for some time, particularly in sub run. So it would be nice to be playing it as it should be.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 10-22-2007 08:43 AM                        There should be no difference except for the video board and error correction. In the early days, I saw a demonstration of a Laser disc with Dolby Digital with a DA-10 Cinema box in the Dolby suite at Showest. The only change made was to bypass part of the acquisition circuitry. Louis  |  IP: Logged Blaine Young Master Film Handler Posts: 477 From: Kirkland, WA, USA Registered: Sep 2006 posted 10-22-2007 01:27 PM                     I suspect the Dolby Digital scheme isn't all that different between the 35mm version and the LaserDisc/DVD version. Obviously there are some advancements done with Dobly Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD, those are supposedly backward compatible. CP650s with the EX board can also decode the Dolby Digital track from DVD with the proper hookup. A LaserDisc could also be played back through the CP650, provided you have an RF demodulator to convert the AC3-RF signal into a DD/PCM signal. The DTS systems for home and cinema are completly different however.  |  IP: Logged Matt Close Expert Film Handler Posts: 226 From: Hervey Bay, QLD, Australia Registered: Sep 2001 posted 10-25-2007 07:38 PM                        Well .... alas we are currently playing Saw 4 in analog ..... a movie I am sure that would make good use of surround for scaring the bejesus out of you Won't bother to ring dispatch .... it's distributed by Hoyts with their blanket 'we don't import DTS' policy..... Here's an interesting one though .... December Boys arrived with DTS discs ..... YES! An Aussie movie with DTS!!! WOW!! That young Harry Potter fellow must have some pull ..... Oh hang on .... no.... disc B is cracked ...... I'll just ring dispatch for another one .... oh .. wait ... no ... they forgot to put timecode on the print!!! Seems Harry put a confunding hex on the boys at the lab All kidding aside though .... I kid you not  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-26-2007 12:29 AM                        quote: Blaine Young The DTS systems for home and cinema are completly different however. I sure hope so, since one costs about a hundred times as much as the other.  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 10-26-2007 12:53 AM                        Same here Matt No disc for Saw 4  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 10-26-2007 03:36 AM                     "Saw IV" discs came to some theatres a few days before the release of this movie via DHL. Prob that TECH didn't get the discs in time to put in the cans on shipment..  |  IP: Logged Markus Lemm Expert Film Handler Posts: 113 From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Registered: Nov 2005 posted 10-26-2007 01:16 PM                        Does anyone know what the cost is to the distributor to buy DTS discs? Do they pay per set of discs?  |  IP: Logged Lyle Romer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1400 From: Davie, FL, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 10-26-2007 08:33 PM                     quote: Ron Curran While we are in the domestic domain, what is the difference between the decoders in home stuff and the ones inside the cinema boxes? For Dolby Digital once you get down to the AC-3 bit stream I think the DA-20 and CP-500 use the same Zoran chip that was used for home AC-3 decoding. The difference being that the cinema system runs at a lower bit rate. Everything prior to the bit stream is completely different from data aquisition to error correction. DTS would be completely different because home DTS uses an entirely different codec from the cinema system. With A LOT of modifications you could get a DVD Dolby Digital soundtrack to be decoded by a DA-10 or DA-20. You can't do anything with a DTS cinema player to get it to decode a DVD DTS soundtrack.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-27-2007 11:26 AM                        quote: Markus Lemm Does anyone know what the cost is to the distributor to buy DTS discs? Do they pay per set of discs? At least in the beginning, DTS said that each set of disks cost about $100 which is why they originally weren't included in your print unless you actually had a DTS system. (That's the way it was in our area, at any rate.) I suppose that price included the production of the sound itself, not just the CDs, sort of accounting for the high price. I think Technicolor initalized the idea of putting the disks in with each print no matter what. Yes, the film company pays DTS for the disks and the distribution of them with the prints.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 10-27-2007 03:27 PM                        My understanding is that dts can't charge a production more than Dolby, which puts them at a disadvantage since "unit cost" is always "1" with Dolby and an unknown number with dts. To their credit, dts has always made it happen when called, at least in the USA. Louis  |  IP: Logged Richard May Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1057 From: Floral Park, NY USA Registered: Aug 2004 posted 10-28-2007 09:05 AM                     Well I'm happy to say that we finally started getting disks for our prints. Maybe someone IS actually listening. Lets see if this continues.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-28-2007 09:56 AM                        quote: Mike Blakesley DTS said that each set of disks cost about $100 which is why they originally weren't included in your print unless you actually had a DTS system. ( And theatres that don't sent them back with the prints are not getting charged this amount plus a replacement fee because......?  |  IP: Logged Brad Allen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 688 From: Evansville, IN, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 10-30-2007 10:01 PM                     Same reason some theatres never get charged for destroyed prints. I used to have to pick prints from a large complex to run at a theatre. Many times the prints were not playable. Sprocket holes ripped out, etc. "They" used the reversing projectors instead of re-winding. Distrib didn't even care anytime I raised a ruckas about this.  |  IP: Logged

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