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Author Topic: New security featrue on Madagascar 2 Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 11-08-2008 12:01 PM                        quote: Are my posts invi ? What?  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 11-08-2008 12:56 PM                     This continued deliberate of the soundtrack is yet another example of the self-destructive path this industry has been on for the last 10-15 years. When will the thick-headed jackalopes at the studios and MPAA wake up and realize that this continued stupidity is driving more people to stay at home and watch the movies on their hi-def TVs and home sound systems that are better than a lot of cinemas? As mentioned in the Indiana Jones thread, I would cut out the offending beeps and send the piece back to the studio and tell them where they can put it.  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 11-08-2008 04:41 PM                     No, your posts are not invisible, but I assure your that with Technicolor's tecnique DTS does NOT drop, but the blip in the sound can be heard the same. Of course the final result is much better since there is no drop in sound. A Technicolor guy once told me that "we made a better job (!) with DTS". I really can't understand how a MS-DOS system can overlay these blips on the original soundtrack, and made them different for each print number (I suppose it, otherwise it's useless). This is about Technicolor's prints. I don't know about deluxe. Marco  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 11-08-2008 05:43 PM                    If that's true, it's probably not the print number getting encoded by DTS, but the serial number of the DTS unit.  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 11-08-2008 05:55 PM                     Never thought about it, cool. But do labs have maps of all serial numbers? On Technicolor stuff I'm quite sure: while there is "F" on my 650, I can hear the blip in the sound while in DTS.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-08-2008 07:28 PM                     The entire thing about a dts unit, such as a 6-d putting the blips in the audio is absolute bullshit. Those are pressed discs and every one is identical, and there is no master list of where each player is by serial number anyway. It's called gullible and you fell for it.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-08-2008 07:49 PM                     Brad, I think the claim is that there is support in newer DTS.EXE files to do this. I don't say whether it is true or not, but it is certainly technically possible. DTS certainly knows where many (if not most) of their serial numbers were originally. Providing the unit serial number is part of ordering DTS publicity, as well as repair work. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Blaine Young Master Film Handler Posts: 477 From: Kirkland, WA, USA Registered: Sep 2006 posted 11-08-2008 08:20 PM                     It occurs to me that if they printed the DTS timecode out of sequence, you might be able to accomplish this behavior. Each DTS frame (30 per second) corresponds to a fixed amount of data rate being pulled from the discs. In normal mode, the frames are sequential from beginning to the end. For most reels, the picture start is around frame 100. In theory, if at some random point in the reel, the frame ID changed to something at the beginning or the end of the reel, it would cause the processor to 'jump' to that spot in the reel, play the 'poop' audio and when the timecode reverted to the 'proper' spot, the player would simply 'jump' back and keep playing. There should be enough time to perform these jumps without actually dropping out of DTS playback. Of course, I'm just speculating here. When I screened "Madagascar" and "Indiana Jones" (both in DTS), I heard no audio breaks.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-08-2008 08:55 PM                        quote: Joe Redifer Are my posts invisible? I just explained how each print is unique. So what you're saying is, it's sort of the aural equivalent of a barcode. Measuring the gaps of silence between the "bars" of sound. Pretty cool idea, too bad they have to screw up shows to do it.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 11-08-2008 11:37 PM                        It's worth it to eliminate piracy, Mike. Oh wait, I can still watch ANY movie online within hours of its first midnight showing.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-08-2008 11:55 PM                     ....which still brings up the interesting question: Why isn't the DTS timecode track not effected by all of this security hoopla?  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 11-09-2008 03:18 AM                     Why are you saying this Brad? I heard them, I'm not reporting what someone told me, I heard them with my ears. I was surprised as you but I think you should check before saying that I'm telling bullshits. I told you I spoke with a Technicolor guy a while ago and he confirmed me that the system is working with both DD and DTS, and that with DTS they was able to make a better job, don't ask me how.  |  IP: Logged Craig Dunn Film Handler Posts: 14 From: Anderson, CA, USA Registered: Mar 2007 posted 11-09-2008 09:45 AM                     there were a series of blips deep in the sound field and very high frequency at that time when I saw it. I thought someone to my left was texting and saw no one with a phone out. It would be a good way to insert a time date stamp into the supposed pirated material with a tone generator. Anyone else notice the nifty new system clock available on the XD10 display since the latest software update? That is assuming the system clock has been set properly. For an FBI investigator the point becomes to cross reference electronic databases (Credit Card transactions, time date stamps, and published showtimes) to narrow down the possibilities to a few from a few thousand. Craig Dunn  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 11-09-2008 11:03 AM                     Frank, why did you combine different parts of what I wrote to make a sentence I never wrote? If you missed the context of my statement, Fred was saying that he didn't like this security measure because the security measure itself doesn't identify the person who copied it and I responded that it wasn't meant to by itself.  |  IP: Logged Dennis Benjamin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1445 From: Denton, MD Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-10-2008 06:46 AM                        All I know is - that I took my kids to see this movie yesterday. I can tell you exactly where this audio 'glitch' is in the film and it made my movie going experience that much more crappier. I am going to lodge a complaint with the film company and the distributor. As a manager and as a patron - this little experiment was a complete failure.  |  IP: Logged

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