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Author Topic: New security featrue on Madagascar 2 Galen Murphy-Fahlgren Master Film Handler Posts: 405 From: Canton, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2007 posted 11-14-2008 11:43 PM                     quote: Jason Whyte Mission Accomplished. Fixed. I found this to be distracting, but less so that what we had on Dark Knight. That one had three or so offending spots, which dropped out to a very poorly mixed analog track for quite a bit longer. The assistant manager at that theater called and demanded a replacement reel, and after a bit of hoopla and several very critical phone conversations, we got it, but not until thousands of our customers had been subjected to it. This was with Dark Knight playing with a CP650 and Cat. 701. In Madagascar, which I saw in a theater with a CP55, DA20 and Cat. 701, it was relatively faint, despite being in a loud action sequence. I was probably the only person in the audience to notice it, but I wasn't even listening for it. I still think that studios and labs should be producing content for the most critical audience possible, which is likely projectionists in this case. Since this did not fly under this projectionists radar, I unilaterally condemn it.  |  IP: Logged Jesse Skeen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1517 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 11-15-2008 05:14 AM                     Just as a matter of principle I should start illegally copying the official DVDs of these movies when they come out. Of course then they might start messing THOSE up for the paying customers too!  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-15-2008 05:56 AM                     I don't think Batman had that anti-piracy audio coding on it. This is however a very convenient situation for the labs, as when people have a problem they are going to start automatically ASSUMING that the problem with the sound is the anti-piracy coding and permit their presentations to be further degraded.  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 11-15-2008 06:28 AM                     Correct. They will never replace any reel 3 of Madagascar 2 for audio issues. Even if the issue is not related to anti piracy. And some theater will assume that any sound issue reported by the customers is due to anti piracy.  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-15-2008 08:37 AM                        quote: Marco Giustini And some theater will assume that any sound issue reported by the customers is due to anti piracy. Worse still, they will tell the customers that any audio problem is anti-piracy rather than admit something is wrong with their presentation (or fixing it).  |  IP: Logged Galen Murphy-Fahlgren Master Film Handler Posts: 405 From: Canton, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2007 posted 11-15-2008 11:11 AM                     Well, Brad, if Dark Knight didn't have it, two things are true. First of all, Deluxe's lab work is even worse than I believed, and my belief was that it was not good. And secondly, they have trained their people to do just that, and tell people whenever there is something wrong that it is an intentional anti-piracy measure. The only thing to be gained here is animosity towards them, which could lead to empathy for pirates, as per Jesse's tongue in cheek statement. I happen to take piracy very personally (or I would, if some jackass would just give me the opportunity), but I also take people intentionally screwing up my presentation personally.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-15-2008 03:13 PM                     Galen, you need to get your facts straight. Stop blaming "Deluxe's lab work" for your defective Batman print. Warner Bros is the studio that made Batman and they strike their prints at Techniclor LAB. Just because you got the print sent to you from the Deluxe SHIPPING DEPOT means nothing in this discussion.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-15-2008 03:41 PM                        I'm confused. Any normal business that sells a defective product is obligated (both legally and morally) to replace it with a non-defective product. If I buy a toaster and it doesn't work, I can return it to the store with my receipt; they will then either replace it with a working one or give me a refund. Why is that that labs and distributors aren't subject to this same (minimal) standard?  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-15-2008 04:32 PM                     More importantly, why isn't Dolby doing anything about this? I can understand Sony not caring in regards to their all-but-dead SDDS format, but I find it sad that Dolby is permitting the labs to deliberately destroy their product.  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 11-15-2008 08:51 PM                     Last time I heard them they were trying to do something. In the meantime Disney stopped using this anti-piracy, so perhaps the future will be better.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 11-15-2008 08:56 PM                     quote: Marco Giustini Last time I heard them they were trying to do something. Who did you hear it from? Sounds like a rumor.  |  IP: Logged Galen Murphy-Fahlgren Master Film Handler Posts: 405 From: Canton, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2007 posted 11-15-2008 11:24 PM                     Brad, you're right, my mistake. I have had more issues with Deluxe prints, so my default thought when I get bad lab work is "Deluxe." Thank you for pointing that out.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-16-2008 12:14 AM                        Knowing Dolby's long history of improving theatre sound and the committment to this goal that we all are familiar with, from their product support to their detailed manuals which are as educational as they are practical for the booth personnel, I can't believe they will not have serious issues with this nonsense. Since every film that is released with Dolby sound, be it digital or analog, must be licensed from Dolby and must meet strict Dolby parameters. It can't be a Dolby track if it deviates from those specs. For a studio to purposely introduce dropouts and mess up the Dolby track I would imagine violates their agreement. Dolby can easily say that they will not license a Dolby track if the intent of the studio, for whatever reason, security or not, is to mess with the spec. Dolby is in a position to demand that the Dolby spec be followed or they don't get to use Dolby sound. Seeing as how without a Dolby license this would mean the studio gets to have only DTS and Sony for digital and UltraStereo for analog, it might change their minds about this kind of "CAP" for sound. See how that sits with the MPAA members.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-16-2008 02:38 AM                     quote: Galen Murphy-Fahlgren work is "Deluxe." ...why I still call it ETS instead of DFS .. too many "DeLuxes" around here...  |  IP: Logged Max Biela Film Handler Posts: 89 From: Dortmund, Germany Registered: Sep 2003 posted 11-16-2008 04:50 AM                     Brad, DTS definitely cuts out at the same time. Maybe the situation is different in Europe? If you complain about sound dropouts on your print you get a replacement reel without the code but DTS will still drop to SR at the same time even if there isn't any code on the SR track and SRD/SDDS play flawlessly. As the Timecode is perfectly fine on both prints the discs must contain the information when to switch to SR, just like they switch to Non-Sync or a certain backup format.  |  IP: Logged

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