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Author Topic: When was the last day 35 MM was run in your building?
Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 09-16-2011 02:17 AM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah, they won't stop "selling" that 3D solution until there are literally no more prints being made.

quote: Richard May
We will not be converting to video at any point and our customers seem very happy about that.
Why would the customers care?

Outside of an article in the newspaper when we made the switch, we haven't promoted our digital projection at all. To me that just tells the public, "Our picture was crappy before, you should come and check it out now that we've eliminated all the scratches and dirt and such." I just didn't see the need for implying that our projection had sucked.

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Monte L Fullmer
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That's true: you just don't see any form of digital "splash" advertising in the newspaper slicks as you did when 70MM came into town.

Speaking which: 3 Strip Cinerama presentations hits Seattle very soon. NOW, this is worth spending 11 bucks for!

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Steven J Hart
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September 5 (Rise of the Planet of the Apes) was our last scheduled 35 mm booking. Today we start with digital (Stupid Crazy Love). Our 35 MM equipment remains in place...
Steve

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Justin Hamaker
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Mike, I kind of agree with that point. I've already felt that when talking to a few customers about digital. On the other hand, I think the digital picture is far superior to even our best 35mm picture, so I'm ok with promoting the improved picture quality.

I know the general feeling around Film-Tech is that 35mm done right is better than digital. I have to disagree. Maybe in the most perfect conditions with a pristine 35mm print, but every digital presentation I've seen in the last 2-3 years is far superior to even the best 35mm presentations I have ever seen. And that's not even getting into the issue of what 35mm typically looks like 3-4 weeks out.

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Michael Brown
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 - posted 09-17-2011 11:36 AM      Profile for Michael Brown   Email Michael Brown   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
13 screen multiplex, currently 4 dig, 9 film.

Our final install week is week beginning 10th October, 2 will be done each day mon-thurs, with just the last one done on the friday morning. (so all 13 running digitally by friday evening)

We will be left with one screen that is dual digital/film.

And we already have a 35mm print book into the screen in November sometime for a halloween show of something.

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Bernie Anderson Jr
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 - posted 09-17-2011 03:15 PM      Profile for Bernie Anderson Jr   Author's Homepage   Email Bernie Anderson Jr   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
July 25, 2010 was our last day, and the last day of sanity. I brought in a print of Majestic to play the last show of film.

Now instead of simplexes I have Sony projectors. Ive never had so many dumb issues before with a projector, i.e. in the middle of a show, the projector will loose marriage between the picture head and server and STOP! for no reason at all. Plus the optical block needs to be cleaned all the time, I'm constantly changing bulbs and with their 3D lens, which account for half my location, I get 7 fl on screen! Its even to the point that they changed out one Sony in the big theatre because of the screen size. The picture would be too dark otherwise. And now, I have no projectionist anymore so its up to the manager to fix a show interuption.

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Monte L Fullmer
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To cure some of your SONY issues:

Do a complete system shutdown through the menu so the UPS can shut the system down. Wait a good minute, then hit the button on the status cylinder to reboot the unit. This will clear out any old memory and be fresh again ... do this on a weekly basis.

If you get an "exhaust status" warning on the status display on the rear of the unit and the tail lights are flashing yellow on the status cylinder: flip the breaker above the USB port off, wait a few seconds, then turn the unit back on. This will reset this warning.

Keep the percentage on the Media Block below 70% and DON't injest while the media block is playing a show.

Make sure that you got a strong, 600 CFM plus, exhaust flow from the exhaust fan.

You have to know how to work with these units since they are a total different animal completely...they remind me of an Apple Computer - so proprietary that it's miserable.

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Richard May
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 - posted 09-18-2011 12:57 PM      Profile for Richard May   Email Richard May   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mike. A lot of our customers do not want to watch a movie on video. They want film.

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Paul H. Rayton
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While some customers may claim to "not want to watch a movie on video", the facts are that 1) DCI-compliant projection is significantly better than mere "video", with, in round numbers, 4X the data rate of even Blu-ray discs; 2) younger folks -- who are a significant part of the moviegoing audiences these days -- don't really give a rat's patootie "how" the picture is projected, plus they were raised watching MTV and videos, they barely know what "film" is, and they probably prefer electronic imaging because that's what they are accustomed to; 3) with the drop in print and film use in general, Eastman Kodak is, soon enough, not going to be able to afford to manufacture film at affordable prices, so prints will get to be mighty expensive; and 4) in short order, distributors will not even have film prints for you, so you'll be either running something electronically ... or out of business.

So, other than that, your customers can "prefer" to watch film all they want, but (with some quite rare exceptions) they'll have to go in to mid-city NYC, at MOMA or AMMI, to see it projected that way! It's a sad situation for traditionalists to accept, but it's comin' at you like an express train comin' down the track, and you better hope you are not tied down on to those tracks! Just in the last week, even the Arclight Hollywood went 100% digital, and there will be more conversions next week, and the week after that, and the week after that. Can't you hear the drumbeat?

It's boiling down now to an example of a corollary of Gresham's Law, with what's a cheaper technology driving out a more expensive technology. There can be plenty of discussion about whether digital is truly less expensive at the exhibition end of things -- but to the studios, who make those movies and who now do NOT have to purchase all those prints, and the concomitant shipping -- yes, it's less expensive. By far. Remember the story of the sign seen in the repair shop? "Fast, Cheap, Good -- choose any two". The story may be apocryphal, but the situation is seriously comparable.

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Steve Guttag
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Paul,

While I do not disagree with you per-say, I do see a point next year when the VPFs dry up when a significant number of screens will remain film. and the speed at which the conversion progresses will come to a grinding hault...kind of like your train derailing...it will be then up to the studios to play a good game of "chicken" and then either continue prints or merely cut that 40% of the US market off because they only represent something like 20% of the gross.

One thing I'm seeing is that with older exhibitors (theatre operators in their 60s and 70s) figuring that when they are forced out...so be it...they are not going to sign a 10-year deal when, in all likelihood, they will not be there to finish it for one reason or another.

It will also be interesting to see what happens when folks have to start really paying for repairs...this stuff is not only expensive to buy, it is expensive to keep running, after the warranty period expires. Also, there will not be any VPF deals for the new-builds in 2013 or replacement for the stuff that was bought in the last 10-years.

However, I do think that the places that will offer film will continue to diminish...but add the AFI/Silver (or Egyptian) to your list of film places.

-Steve

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Richard May
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With the majority of folks coming to our theater being older people, they do know the difference. DCI compliant crap is all video to me. As far as I'm concerned, only film belongs in theaters. As long as we can get prints, which I have been told will be a long time, we will run film. We don't run mainstream movies and don't have to worry about having prints come from big studios. If and when we don't get prints, we will deal with it then.

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Justin Hamaker
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Richard: I contend that if you put DCI compliant digital picture on you screen without saying anything to the public, 99% of your audience will not know they are not watching film.

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Martin McCaffery
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Probably true, but I'm guessing 90% of the general public thinks we run BluRays;>

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Richard May
With the majority of folks coming to our theater being older people, they do know the difference.
So they know the difference, but what's their complaint about digital? It's not jumpy enough? They miss the scratches? The splices? They want to count the changeover cues? (OK I'll give you that one...I miss them!)

The first time I ever watched a digital movie was at some large city theatre, not sure what city. I knew it was digital going in. I was HOPING I would hate it, because at the time I was dreading the conversion, wondering how we would ever afford it, etc. (That was when conversions were like $125,000 per screen without even thinking about 3-D.)

Well...the movie started and I could not find anything wrong. The picture was sharp, clear, steady and in focus from corner to corner. I didn't see any pixelation. After about 2 minutes of trying to find something wrong, I forgot about my internal debate. I enjoyed the movie and forgot I wasn't watching it on film.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote:
I do see a point next year when the VPFs dry up when a significant number of screens will remain film. and the speed at which the conversion progresses will come to a grinding halt...
So, why the big push for digital conversion if the bottom gonna fall out of the VPF thing, and how will the VPF thing dry up (if this one can be closely answered..)?

Are the converted cinemas gonna take it in the end real bad?

"Boy", all of a sudden, all of those 35mm machines that were dumped off at STRONG suddenly may have the return value on them after all for resale when these digital unit repair bills really start to pile up and the VPF money dries up to keep them fixed. Then, those DCI units will be heading to STRONG for the recyle bin after the 10 year warranty expires.

quote: Richard May
they do know the difference
have you asked them of what the differences were?

(I know that I posted this one before, but have to add this one in in this topic...)

Like my wife went to see one of our digital presentations, and after the show, I asked her how she liked the movie in which she did confirm of that she did like it. Then, I told her that it was digital presentation..

.."It was?", she said.

The next day, her and ner neice came to a 35mm film, asked her the same question with same reply..and told her different that this was a film presentaion.....

..."It was?", she said.

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