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Stephan Shelley
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70 mm print arrived at Grand Lake yesterday on reels in cans. Sound on disk and stick. Reel numbers and title are NOT printed in leaders or tails. Hope that the guys at FotoKem put the right label on the correct reel.

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Fabian Schreyer
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quote: Leo Enticknap
I was able to ingest the H8 audio into a 10 via USB, but the menu navigation needed to get to that option wasn't obvious or intuitive. There was a text file on the USB stick we received with instructions, which worked for me.
As people report again that there also USB sticks around: Do you remember how exactly you were able to ingest audio on an XD10 via USB?

I tried this several times on an XD10 with the latest firmware on it but I had no success. Also it is probably worth to mention that the XD10 only has USB 1.1.

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Stephan Shelley
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Hit enter>playback hit enter, 4th or 5th item down in playback menu is load from USB. Select that with the stick in and away it goes.

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Jim Cassedy
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quote: Fabian Schreyer
Do you remember how exactly you were able to ingest audio on an XD10 via USB?
I managed to fumble around and figure it out for myself. It wasn't
until after I did that that I realized there was a text file of instructions
on the USB stick along with the audio. D'oh!

If I recall, one of the key things was to NOT insert the USB stick until
AFTER the 1st two steps. I don't think it worked if you started the
process with the USB drive already inserted. But I could be wrong.
(and possibly was, according to Stephan's post below)

Just follow the instructions exactly as written below.

(Sorry for the ALL CAPS - - But this is how the text was formatted
on the USB stik file it was copied from)

XD10
SELECT ENTER BUTTON, THEN PLAYBACK, SELECT ENTER BUTTON AGAIN.
USE DOWN ARROW BUTTON TO SELECT "LOAD FROM USB"
INSERT USB AND SELECT ENTER BUTTON
**DOWNLOAD WILL TAKE A FEW MINUTES, PROGRESS SHOULD BE DISPLAYED
WHEN DOWNLOAD IS COMPLETE IT WILL STATE DOWNLOAD IS FINISHED.
SELECT OK/ENTER TO REMOVE DRIVE.
VERIFY CONTENT HAS BEEN LOADED BY GOING TO THE MENU,
SELECT PLAYBACK, ENTER, THEN SCROLL DOWN TO CONTENTS

XD20
SELECT ENTER BUTTON, THEN PLAYBACK, SELECT ENTER BUTTON AGAIN.
USE DOWN ARROW BUTTON TO SELECT "LOAD FROM USB"
INSERT USB AND SELECT ENTER BUTTON
**DOWNLOAD WILL TAKE A FEW MINUTES, PROGRESS SHOULD BE DISPLAYED
WHEN DOWNLOAD IS COMPLETE IT WILL STATE DOWNLOAD IS FINISHED.
SELECT OK/ENTER TO REMOVE DRIVE
VERIFY CONTENT HAS BEEN LOADED BY GOING TO THE MENU,
SELECT PLAYBACK, ENTER, THEN SCROLL DOWN TO CONTENTS

<They look identical to me, but this was what they sent<

Disclaimer:
The DTS unit I was using was supplied by BLS and I didn't take note of the
software version it was running on. So the above instructions may, or may
not, work with your player. But I don't think you'll hurt anything by trying. . . . ]

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Stephan Shelley
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Worked fine for me with the stick in with the XD10. Did not know myself till reading the instructions after the fact.

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Manny Knowles
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quote: Steve Kraus
Could they make a generic set of TC negatives, each longer than the longest possible 70mm reel, which the lab could then use if someone wanted to make just a few 70mm prints? Naturally, without unique title information the matching disks / data could play with any 70mm print that used these negatives but hopefully anyone running 70mm nowadays would have the sense to play the correct track.
This is how DTS on 16mm is handled. There's only one negative. One serial number for all of them.

I learned this first-hand during setup for a screening of some student shorts at the DGA. A few of the titles were on 16mm with DTS sound. We loaded them into the XD-10 and then listened, astonished, that they all played the soundtrack of the last one we had loaded. I guess each one over-wrote the previous one loaded.

Rest assured, this was discovered during testing, not during the actual show. I'm pretty thorough about pre-flight testing.

For the actual show, IIRC, we ended up deleting whatever we had loaded on the hard drive, and ran each short directly from its CD-ROM, to ensure that we were in control over which soundtrack got played back.

It worked out fine. But, I must say, it was a little alarming to discover this "gotcha" on the day of a show.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Feel bad for those folks waiting to see an excellent 70mm presentation to where it looks like it was shot in 16mm...so damned grainy in a lot of scenes, plus the procedure of abandoning the usage of camera dollys isn't allowed anymore - so much handheld camera work where the steady picture isn't allowed.

-Monte

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David J Hilsgen
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I've got a head scratcher going on, which i thought i had solved my set up is a DTS 6D & XD10 w/ 2 readers & a board that will switch between the 2 players. when it got to R 8 on my 1st show my 15year old reader dropped out & the 6D stopped & it switched over to the XD10 & the new reader that we just bought. it got me thru the show. checked it between shows, started the next show ,that reader still didn't come on ,so i grabbed another 6D hooked it up, just the time code cable & the reader came back on & the player kicked on, ok i thought problem solved,when it got to R-8 cut out again. after the show i ran a test trailer that worked fine, maybe something with the time code, were the new reader can tolerated it, looked at it couldn't see any thing different between R-7 & R-8 code. anybody else running 6D player?

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Steve Kraus
Could they make a generic set of TC negatives, each longer than the longest possible 70mm reel, which the lab could then use if someone wanted to make just a few 70mm prints?
quote: Manny Knowles
This is how DTS on 16mm is handled. There's only one negative. One serial number for all of them.
When DTS was first launched in 1993 the 35mm time code was generic, just reel and frame numbers. They had to change the 35mm time code data to include film ID. Some theaters were trying to play Heart and Souls but forgot about Jurassic Park discs still in the DTS players. I don't know if DTS had the issue fixed by the time Hard Target, the 3rd DTS movie, was released.

quote: Monte L Fullmer
Feel bad for those folks waiting to see an excellent 70mm presentation to where it looks like it was shot in 16mm...so damned grainy in a lot of scenes, plus the procedure of abandoning the usage of camera dollys isn't allowed anymore - so much handheld camera work where the steady picture isn't allowed.
I'll repeat a theory of mine regarding ShakeyCam™: I think the hand held stuff is done to cover up flaws in production design and CGI quality. If you have a nice, smooth dolly shot that's held on screen for more than 18 frames the viewer will have some time to notice the level of detail in the scene. The sets, wardrobe, lighting and any composited CGI effects will all have to be well done. If the imagery is a bunch of rapid cuts from one shaky whirrly blurry shot to the next the viewer won't be able to focus on much of anything. This kind of production style can hide a lot of crappy short cuts used to save time or money. ShakeyCam™ can let a "filmmaker" quickly bullshit his way through a scene.

The reviews of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice are not good, but some are funny. Eric Snider said the movie is "like putting your head in a beehive for two and half hours." The movie has a 30% score at Rotten Tomatoes.

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Terry Monohan
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Will anyone in the USA be showing a 70mm film print in 3-D???Have 2 70mm film projector platters going at the same time R/L?

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Bobby Henderson
I'll repeat a theory of mine regarding ShakeyCam™: I think the hand held stuff is done to cover up flaws in production design and CGI quality.
I'll bet that starts with the 'style' of the director. Combining that with the set designers and bean counters -- they may reduce the level of detail BECAUSE they know he's a ShakeyCam™ director. Why spend money on expensive details when nobody will ever be able to see them?

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David J Hilsgen
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I figured out my problem, my 6d player didn't have enough voltage to drive the led on my reader.

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Stephan Shelley
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David,

Depending what generation timecode reader the LED voltage is adjustable on the timecode reader. Starting on PDF page 261 of this manual in the warehouse is the instructions for setting it:

http://www.film-tech.com/warehouse/manuals/DTS_XD10_v2.1.pdf

It is the same for using a 6D.

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Brad Miller
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This is also why when dts players will not be used for a length of time (say for example, from the end of the Interstellar booking to the beginning of Batman vs Superman booking) the players should be powered OFF. Otherwise the LEDs will burn up an entire year's worth of life just sitting there.

Same for Christie platters.

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Stephan Shelley
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For the same reasons optical sound readers and Dolby digital readers should be turned off as well. Turning off the video powered LED Dolby digital readers such as the BACP and Dolby cat 702 readers can be a bit tricky. If using an external DA20 turn it off. But if plugged into a CP500 or CP650 and they are used all the time for other sound uses you either have to install a switch to turn off the a LED or unplug the video cable(s) ONLY with the processor turned OFF! Do not hot plug the video cables. You will damage the processor's SRD unit.

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