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Paul Mayer
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Ha ha! That would be 406 MHz, the new emergency frequency for planes as well as boats. Those satellites are designed to pick up weak signals on that freq, as in the case of a downed aircraft with broken ELT antennas. All it takes is a couple of passes from any member of that constellation and the emitter can be located to within a few meters. Also, many of the new ELTs transmit last GPS coordinates and aircraft ID when activated (e.g. by a G-switch).

Funny that a TV would put out a spur on that freq, but it's not the first time that sort of thing has happened. In the aviation community we presently have a couple of spurious radiation issues between GPS and existing VHF nav/com gear.

[Edit] Read further on this story on AvWeb. Turns out the spur was on 121.5 MHz, the older soon-to-be-phased-out emergency frequency. And the TV was ultimately pinpointed the old-fashioned way--by a team of USAFA (CAP) volunteers using handheld ELT sniffers. I've gone on quite a few of those ELT hunts myself over the years. Usually it's a real ELT that goes off due to a hard landing or someone tossing a portable one into a closet. The guys were surprised to find that a TV set was the source this time.

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Looks like Toshiba (pushing HD-DVD along with NEC) feels it has a number of studios in its camp. Apparently these studios are set to publicly declare their choice of HD-DVD by the end of this year:

Disney
Time Warner
Universal
Paramount

In the BD camp so far:

MGM
Fox

Toshiba Interview: DVD Format Winner May Be Set This Year

By Kanji Ishibashi
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

TOKYO (Dow Jones)--The battle over the high-definition successor to the current generation of DVDs is escalating with a winner possibly declared within the year, an executive at Toshiba Corp. (6502.TO) said.

Major Hollywood movie studios are expected to announce by year-end which of the two rival next-generation DVD formats they will support, said Toshiba Corporate Senior Vice President Hisashi Yamada.

"At the moment, Hollywood is leaning toward our side," he told Dow Jones Newswires in a recent interview.

Toshiba and NEC Corp. (6701.TO) are promoting the HD DVD format that they jointly developed. A rival next-generation DVD format called the Blu-ray Disc is being promoted by an international group including Sony Corp. (6758.TO) and Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. (6752.TO).

A Hollywood industry endorsement is seen as a key to winning the race for leadership in the next-generation DVD format.

"Since Time Warner has been our friend for a long time, I have no doubt that they will support us," he said.

The Blu-ray group has Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc. and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc. (MGM) on its side. News Corp.'s (NWS) Twentieth Century Fox Film Corp. has also become a board member of the Blu-ray Disc Association.

"I think the rest (of studios) are swinging in favor of our side," said Yamada who is also head of Toshiba's HD DVD development operations.

The other big studios include Walt Disney Co. (DIS) group, Time Warner Inc. (TWX), Universal Studios and Paramount Pictures Corp. (PTP.XX).

If these four studios come to the HD DVD side, "that would effectively mean the end of the game" even before the two sides of different formats roll out their versions of products in late 2005, he said.

After forming ties in the movie, television content production and distribution business, Toshiba took about a 3% stake in Time Warner in 1995. It now holds a 0.1% stake in the U.S. media company.

About 50 Firms Show Interest In Promotion Group

Toshiba has already unveiled specific plans to launch its HD DVD hardware products.

The company said it plans to begin marketing HD DVD players in the U.S. in October-December of 2005 at a retail price of $999, and it expects the HD DVD group to sell 1 million units of HD DVD players worldwide in 2006 lowering the sales price to around $500 that year.

Toshiba also said it plans to launch globally in December 2005 notebook personal computers equipped with HD DVD disc drives at similar prices to its existing high-end PC models.

"We are asking Hollywood to hurry up," as we have showed them this much of our commitment in the business as a hardware maker, Yamada said.

He said he wants Hollywood to commit to the release of HD DVD movie titles as soon as possible, so that Toshiba and others in its group can focus on the hardware business more securely. "Otherwise, it would be hard for hardware makers" to go ahead with parts procurement and other preparations.

And Hollywood seems to acknowledge such a need for urgency because, for one thing, they know it requires sufficient time and close-knit efforts between hardware makers and content holders to protect illegal copying of content in a broadband network environment, he added. "I hope they will announce (their support) by the year-end."

Yamada said he is fairly confident that about 1,000 HD DVD movie titles will become available in 2006.

On the hardware front, he said he isn't worried at all about support of the HD DVD format.

Four Japanese firms - Toshiba, NEC, Sanyo Electric Co. (6764.TO) and Memory-Tech Corp. - plan to create in the spring of 2005 "the HD DVD Promotion Group," a voluntary association, to promote the development and use of HD DVD equipment and content worldwide.

About 50 firms have already agreed to join a preparatory organization for the promotion group, including Canon Inc. (7751.TO), Konica Minolta Holdings Inc. (4902.TO), Taiyo Yuden Co. (6976.TO), Kenwood Corp. (6765.TO) and Hitachi Maxell Ltd. (6810.TO), Toshiba said.

"We are considering bringing forward" the creation of the promotion group and "we want to hold the first meeting as early as within this year," Yamada said.

Five to six electronics makers are expected to introduce HD DVD consumer equipment as early as next year, he said. This means two to three makers, in addition to Toshiba, NEC and Sanyo, are planning to release such equipment.

Currently the biggest benefit for HD DVD discs is a low-cost mass-production technology that its group has established, he said.

Memory-Tech, a maker of music and movie optical discs, said its lines can make both regular DVDs and HD DVD discs, with production switching time of only five minutes. This will enable flexible disc manufacturing.

"If the HD DVD market really takes off, a maker can shift more to HD DVD discs. If not, it can focus on (regular) DVDs," Yamada said.

Memory-Tech said manufacturing costs for HD DVD discs will be 10% to 15% higher than those for current DVDs in 2004-2005. The cost gap will narrow to 5% to 10% in 2006 and will be gone in 2007-2008, according to Memory-Tech's estimates.

A Sony spokesman said production costs for Blu-ray discs will match those for the current DVDs in a mass-production phase, which is expected around 2008.

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$999? That'll be the death knell for HD-DVD since the Sony PlayStation 3 will have Blu-Ray suport built in for less than $400 late next year.

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HD = High Dollar. [Big Grin] (Actually, it stands for High Density [not Definition] Digital Versatile Disc, according to an article I read on the net somewhere).

I wonder if the HD-DVD's will be $40-50?? Ackk!

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Paul Mayer
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And in the PC world, HP just announced that they'll support the Sony Blu Ray (BD) disc format starting with selected desktops and laptops late next year. (Not that I'd buy an HP PC after the lousy experiences we had with them at PanAmSat.) Dell has also announced their decision to go with Blu Ray drives. I imagine several manufacturers will have BD and HD-DVD drives available by mid-year.

On a related note, TDK has announced a coating that renders DVD surfaces unscratchable. Looks like this coating will be a standard feature on Blu Ray discs due to their greater vulnerability to scratch damage.

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All right I am no technical genius or anything so can someone please explain why if the new HD DVD laser is not backward compatable to regular DVDs, why they just can't put two lasers in the things so they will be? Cost can't be the thing since DVD players now a days run about 50 bucks. It would be worth an extra $20 or so to have one player do all instead of having to have two seperate players.

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Paul Mayer
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Toshiba announces Warner Bros, Paramount, Universal, and New Line have all signed up for HD-DVD distribution. So the current tally is:

HD-DVD:
Disney
New Line
Paramount
Time Warner
Universal

BD
Fox
MGM
Sony Pictures (formerly Columbia/Tristar)

Paramount, Time Warner, and Universal were all listed before as probables. Here's the Reuters story:

Toshiba Wins Support for HD-DVD from Four Film Studios
Mon Nov 29, 2004 07:05 AM ET

By Kiyoshi Takenaka and Nathan Layne
TOKYO (Reuters) - Toshiba Corp. said on Monday it had won support for the HD DVD optical disc standard from Warner Bros. Studios, Paramount Pictures, Universal Pictures and New Line Cinema, advancing its cause in the battle for the next-generation DVD.

Toshiba, with NEC Corp. and Sanyo Electric Co. Ltd., is promoting a next-generation DVD technology called HD DVD, while Sony Corp. and several other giants of the electronics, computer and movie industries are backing a competing standard dubbed Blu-ray.

Support from U.S. film studios is seen as vital in this format battle, just as it was when the VHS standard prevailed over Sony's Betamax two decades ago.

"After extensive research and careful consideration ... we have determined that HD DVD has the highest quality of performance and offers key advantages in the areas of durability and reliability," Warner Bros. said in a statement.

Warner Bros. and New Line Cinema are units of Time Warner Inc., Universal Pictures is a division of General Electric Co., and Paramount Pictures is a unit of Viacom Inc..

They represent about 45 percent of Hollywood's prepackaged DVD sales in the United States, Toshiba said.

Those studios are expected to release movie titles on the HD DVD format in time for the planned launch of HD DVD players in the last quarter of 2005.

Both HD DVD and Blu-ray technologies use blue lasers, which have shorter wave length than the red lasers used in current DVD equipment, allowing discs to store data at the higher densities needed for high-definition movies and television.

At stake is pole position in the $10 billion-a-year DVD player and recorder market, and a PC drive market of similar size. The winner would be able to license its technology, meaning billions of dollars in royalty income is also up for grabs.

Toshiba, Japan's second-largest electronics conglomerate, alone expects its HD DVD-related sales to grow to 300 billion yen ($2.92 billion) by 2010 from an estimated 5 billion yen in 2005.

BATTLE YET TO BE OVER

"We think this carries a great impact," Toshiba Corporate Senior Vice President Yoshihide Fujii told a news conference.

"There is a strong desire in Hollywood for a single format (for next-generation DVD). Support from studios whose DVD sales account for nearly half of the market means, in our view, Hollywood has started moving toward the single format (HD DVD)."

Toshiba, however, said it was too early to declare victory over the Blu-ray camp, whose members include such heavyweights as Dell Inc, Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., Philips and Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. Ltd., maker of Panasonic brand products.

Blu-ray has the support of Sony Pictures and the tacit backing of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc., recently acquired by a Sony-led consortium. It is also counting on Twentieth Century Fox, which recently joined the Blu-ray Disc Association board.

With the same physical structure as current discs, HD DVD allows makers to use much of their existing DVD equipment, keeping fresh investment minimal and curbing manufacturing costs, Toshiba has said.

The Blu-ray firms say their format is better because a single-layer disc can hold about 25 gigabytes, enough to record up to three hours of high-definition TV, versus 20 gigabytes for HD DVDs. Blu-ray says the possibility of even higher capacities in the future would give its technology a longer life span.

Ahead of the announcement, Toshiba shares closed up 1.64 percent at 435 yen, while Sony gained 1.9 percent at 3,760 yen, outperforming the Tokyo stock market's electric machinery index, which was up 1.52 percent. ($1=102.63 Yen)

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Paul Mayer
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Here's an article from the IEEE Spectrum about the new AACS (Advanced Access Content System) encryption that is part of the HD-DVD specification. AACS uses a strong key, the 128-bit Advanced Encryption Standard approved by the US NIST. Also the AACS system allows for new keys to be used as the old ones are broken. Compromised players would become "obsolete", i.e. they'll be able to play old discs but not any new releases with the newest key. BluRay will use a similar encryption method.
quote:
DVD Copy Protection: Take 2

The next generation of technology won't have a Hollywood ending

By Tekla S. Perry

In 1999, a 16-year-old Norwegian high school student took on the motion-picture industry and won. The teenager, Jon Johansen, wrote software that decrypted the Content Scrambling System (CSS) that rearranges the bits on prerecorded DVDs to prevent the discs' being played back on unauthorized hardware. Until Johansen wrote his software utility, which he called DeCSS, you could copy the bits from a DVD to your computer hard drive, but because those bits were scrambled, you couldn't play a movie from those copied bits.

Johansen's DeCSS soon reached every corner of the globe, thanks to the Internet, and prompted a host of legal battles. In the end, Norwegian judges ruled his actions legal, but U.S. judges ruled the distribution of the software illegal. Nevertheless, anybody who wants to make a copy of a DVD can now do so easily, much to the dismay of the entertainment industry. It is not clear whether such copying is done legally under copyright law, but no individuals have been prosecuted for making copies for their own use.

With manufacturers about to unveil a new generation of DVD players and discs, moviemakers now see a rare opportunity to get the horse back into the barn and lock the door tight. So, this past July, two entertainment companies joined with six electronics manufacturers and chip makers to announce the creation of the Advanced Access Content System (AACS), the copy protection scheme designed to keep future generations safe from pirated DVDs. The specification was due by year-end 2004, and products incorporating it are slated to appear by year-end 2005.

Backers of the protection method are betting that AACS technology will finally thwart unauthorized copying of DVDs while allowing consumers to distribute movies legitimately over networks within their homes, play them on a variety of devices (standard televisions, portable movie players, and laptop computers), and store them on home media servers. "We wouldn't be investing our time otherwise," says Michael Ripley, the chairman of the AACS alliance's technical working group.

But critics of the technology say it is bound to fail in achieving its most important objective—blocking wholesale pirating of DVDs—and it may irritate consumers if the promised in-home distribution isn't quickly forthcoming and easy to use. The AACS project "doesn't make very much sense," says Seth Schoen, staff technologist at the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco. "The commercial copyright infringers in Southeast Asia that burn billions of counterfeit discs will not be deterred by this."

AACS
GOAL: To develop a specification for copy protection of next-generation DVDs
why it's a loser: It won't deter commercial copyright infringers
ORGANIZATION: AACS License Administrator
NUMBER OF PEOPLE: Not available
BUDGET: Not specified

EFFORTS THAT BRING TOGETHER INDUSTRIES with competing interests are challenging at the least and have often broken down acrimoniously. Witness the failure of the Secure Digital Music Initiative, an attempt to bring watermarking technology to digital music. Also keep in mind the different goals the entertainment and electronics industries certainly have. Movie moguls would prefer to make all copying impossible. You want two copies of a movie? Buy two. By contrast, electronics firms would prefer relatively unrestricted copying, because being able to move videos you already own to new devices (such as media servers or handheld players) helps drive sales of those devices.

"Any of these [electronics and entertainment] consortiums runs the risk of collapsing under its own weight," Michael McGuire, research director of the media team for GartnerG2, in San Jose, Calif., told IEEE Spectrum.

The AACS group was founded by IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Panasonic (Matsushita Electric), Sony, Toshiba, Disney, and Warner Bros. Studios. The alliance is optimistic, says Panasonic representative Richard Doherty. "So far, it's going very well, though discussions are spirited at times," he adds.

"We are confident that AACS technology will be part of the next generation of content on optical media," declares AACS's Ripley, who is a senior staff engineer at Intel Corp., in Santa Clara, Calif.

The key to the spirit of compromise is an agreement that the AACS specification will allow consumers to move the data on an optical disc to the various devices they own, including video servers and portable video players, either directly or via a home network. In all the scenarios developed by the AACS alliance, that data would exist on the disc in encrypted form. It would stay encrypted when transferred to other devices and would be decrypted by those devices. The details of this portability have not been announced, but the technological underpinnings are expected to be included when the first version of the copy protection specification is released.

Once products do ship, potential crackers—including teens in basements, academics, and large-scale pirates—will undoubtedly tackle this new encryption challenge. Some details of the specification were apparently still under discussion as this article went to press, including where on the disc the encryption codes will be physically stored.

But one key parameter has been made public. The CSS encryption in the first generation of DVDs, which Johansen defeated, used a proprietary 40-bit key for encryption. AACS will use a so-called strong key, the 128-bit Advanced Encryption Standard approved by the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology.

"This removes one of the obviously dumb things from CSS—they were using a cipher that was easy to break," says Dan Wallach, assistant professor of computer science at Rice University, in Houston.

Because even strong keys can be compromised, the heart of the new protection technology will be its ability to keep on protecting data even after it has been cracked.

The basic idea in recovering from cracking is to make a compromised player key obsolete. Compromised players could continue to play old discs, but not new releases. And crackers would have to start all over again.

Ripley identifies a technology called media key block as an important element in recovering from cracking. With this system, there are actually two keys—one is on the disc itself, but it doesn't work until it is decoded by a second key installed in each player. Multiple versions of this second key can exist; indeed, it is possible that each player would have a unique key, or that groups of players would share keys. Either way, if one key is compromised in the way that CSS was compromised by Johansen and if that decoding method becomes public, new DVDs could include updated on-disc keys that would cause the compromised player-based key to fail. They would, nevertheless, still work with other, uncompromised player-based keys.

Under this scenario, it seems that additional methods might still be needed, since someone who cracks a key but doesn't broadcast that fact could fly under the radar and be able to continue to copy new releases.

AACS's plan shows that the industry has learned from its embarrassing experience with the Norwegian teenager. But that lesson doesn't solve the whole problem, says Rice University's Wallach. "When you give a secret to a million people, and one of them reverse-engineers it and releases a movie, you might not even be able to identify what key you need to disable," he points out.

GartnerG2's McGuire says he appreciates the industry's need to address cracking, but he also sees the cycle of crack/fix/crack as an endless loop. The motivation to crack high-value content like movies isn't going to go away, he notes, so the overall economic benefit to the industry is not obvious.

"The movie-studio people are thinking that by doing this, they can maybe slow commercial copyright infringers down for two weeks, and that would improve their bottom line," says the Electronic Frontier Foundation's Schoen. "I would be impressed if that is the case. No technical measure ever has been proven to have an effect on these people."

PERHAPS THE BIGGEST QUESTION OF ALL is: Will consumers who have become used to freely copying DVDs for viewing on their hard drives or for sharing with friends accept a new technology that restricts such copying?

"We can understand that the technology companies and movie studios have become attached to the idea of creating proprietary encryption for optical discs, but it doesn't do much good in terms of the stated objective of preventing copyright infringement, and it has a lot of downside for consumers," says Schoen.

He and others say success or failure of the approach may hinge on whether consumers will be able to move videos around a home network and among multiple players right from the outset. If they can, they might be more willing to accept the new technology. "It might lead to a higher level of satisfaction for mainstream consumers," Schoen says. "So there will be less pressure from them for unauthorized products that allow backups. But at this point, the details are a bit sparse."

If they can't, individual consumers will find ways to transfer their content anyway, Wallach says. "It is not a matter of if—it is a matter of when. As long as I have the technology in my living room to watch it for myself, I can modify the system to extract the video. They can make it hard, but they can't make it impossible.

"They are living in a fantasy world," he concludes.


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And crackers would have to start all over again.
I see no reason why the article has to be so racist. I am proud of being white (is that even allowed in today's society without being thought of as a white supremacist?) and I'm not going to stand for anyone calling me a cracker!

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First Titles Anounced
Point goes to the HD-DVD camp.

Story

From Animated News
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The "format war" that studios and consumers were hoping would never happen will begin this fall, with the announcement by Warner Bros, Paramount and Universal of their initial offerings on HD-DVD. Many of the titles represent recent blockbusters and classic contemporary films, with special effects films and animation-related films surprisingly high on the list, including high definition bows for Forrest Gump, Lara Croft: Tomb Raider, Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow, Sleepy Hollow, The SpongeBob Squarepants Movie (all Paramount), Contact, Harry Potter And The Sorcerer’s Stone/Chamber Of Secrets/Prisoner Of Azkaban, The Mask, The Matrix Trilogy, Spawn, Troy (from Warners), and Van Helsing, Apollo 13, 12 Monkeys, Dune and Waterworld (Universal).

As a co-developer and chief advocate of the format, Warner Home Video really is throwing themselves behind the launch, with several even-yet-to-open-theatrically titles already lined up for HD-DVD release, including this summer's Batman Begins, Charlie And The Chocolate Factory, The Dukes of Hazzard and House Of Wax, as well as recent hits Ocean’s Twelve and The Polar Express. For real animated delights, we'll have to see what Disney offers us on the competing Blu-Ray format, developed and being pushed by Sony. DVD File has the full list - sadly we consumers can only stand on the sidelines as the battle begins...


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quote: Mike Olpin
Point goes to the HD-DVD camp.
Huh? They are playing for points?

Oh please don't let the inferior HD-DVD win! [Frown]

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with several even-yet-to-open-theatrically titles already lined up for HD-DVD release, including this summer's Batman Begins, Charlie And The Chocolate Factory, The Dukes of Hazzard and House Of Wax,
There ya go. They're planning DVD releases BEFORE the films ever hit theaters. [Frown]

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I guess the good part of the inferior standard winning would be that it'll be easier for Digital Cinema to have a higher quality image than HD-DVD!!!

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Hmmm. Talk of a technology compromise and merge appears to be in the works.

Sony May Unite Blu-ray Disc, HD-DVD
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Top exec says the two competing formats may come together.

Paul Kallender, IDG News Service
Thursday, March 24, 2005

After more than a year of touting Blu-ray Disc as the best technology to replace DVD for storing high-definition video, a top executive at Sony, one of Blu-ray's major backers, has opened the door to the possibility of unifying the format with its arch rival, HD-DVD.

"Listening to the voice of the consumers, having two rival formats is disappointing and we haven't totally given up on the possibility of integration or compromise," Ryoji Chubachi, Sony's president-elect, said at a news conference Thursday in which he discussed the company's performance and future strategy.

The statement may surprise backers of the rival camps, who have assembled consortiums of major electronics companies, disc makers, and Hollywood studios to promote the formats in a battle that echoes one fought a quarter of a century ago between Betamax and VHS.

HD-DVD backers, which include NEC and Toshiba, say HD-DVDs can be produced for about the same price as DVDs and are backward-compatible with DVDs and CDs, making the format more convenient for both consumers and the industry. HD-DVD movie titles, PC drives, and players are all due out by the end of the year.

Sony has steadfastly promoted Blu-ray as a technology that has greater capacity, saying this makes the format more useful because more content can be stored on a disc. The technology also has wider support in the technology industry, although release dates for movie titles have not yet been announced.

Reaching a Compromise

Chubachi's comments mark the second time that a Sony executive has signaled the possibility of a compromise between the two camps. In January, Ken Kutaragi, executive deputy president of Sony, said a format war was not in the public interest and that Sony had not ruled out the possibility of uniting the formats.

As Sony's future president, Chubachi's remarks Thursday may carry more weight. Currently head of Sony's electronic components and manufacturing businesses, he will replace Kunitake Ando as Sony president on June 22 following the recent shake-up of Sony's top management. That shake-up saw Kutaragi step down from Sony's board, although he still heads its important gaming business.

Kutaragi also admitted in January that Sony, by supporting its proprietary audio encoding system and not the widely-supported MP3 format, had lost ground to competitors such as Apple Computer in the portable music player market, which Sony had once dominated with the Walkman.

While Sony's technological and engineering base is sound, the company must ensure that its products are aligned with the wants of consumers, Chubachi said. Sony's engineers have traditionally been regarded within the company as heroes and the creators of new markets, but recently their ideas have not always led to products that matched consumers' needs, he said.


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High Definition DVD Formats to "Combine"?

An interesting read:
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=3&id=334897
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Sony, Toshiba to develop common next-generation DVD format
TOKYO — Sony Corp and Toshiba Corp have started talks toward an agreement to jointly develop a new unified standard for next-generation DVDs, after battling three years to push for separate rival standards, company sources said Thursday.

Sony and Matsushita Electric Industrial Co introduced the Blu-ray standard in February 2002, and Toshiba and NEC Corp followed with the HD DVD standard.

The two camps are expected to agree as early as next week to unify their next-generation DVD formats into a common standard to cut costs and benefit consumers. Engineers are negotiating to jointly develop a new format incorporating the strengths of their existing technologies, they said.

They have already talked to Hollywood film producers as DVD title suppliers about the hybrid format, the sources said.

Sony and Toshiba have so far developed and promoted different formats, dividing other Japanese consumer electronics manufacturers into two camps.

Next-generation DVD players use blue lasers to give a shorter wavelength than the red light used for current DVDs and CDs, allowing the storage of the large volume of data necessary to allow DVD quality similar to high-definition television.

The two formats touted by the groups would not have been compatible with one another. A Blu-ray movie disc, for example, would not play on an HD DVD player.

The rivalry would have caused confusion and inconvenience for consumers, similar to the war between VHS and Betamax videocassette formats in the 1980s.

After competing over the past three years, the two camps are now considering a hybrid format, acknowledging that the standards need to be unified to popularize next-generation DVD players and software titles, the sources said.

"In developing the present DVDs, manufacturers unified the standards when it was almost too late," a source said. "It is desirable to have a single standard for next-generation DVDs as well."

Sony and Matsushita Electric Industrial Co introduced the Blu-ray format in February 2002. Toshiba and NEC Corp soon followed with the HD DVD standard.

Both standards are capable of accommodating a movie on a single disc in high-definition format, but their data structures are very different.

The battle between the major Japanese electronics firms has caused a split between consumer electronics makers and movie companies in the United States and other countries. Some electronics firms, including Paris-based Thomson S.A., have said they will support both HD DVD and Blu-ray formats.

Supporters of the Blu-ray technology include Apple Computer Inc, Dell Inc, Hewlett-Packard Co and Samsung Electronics Co.

Among the Hollywood studios, Walt Disney Co and Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc back the Blu-ray. HD DVD supporters include Paramount Pictures, Universal Pictures and Warner Bros Studios.

Behind the move to unify the next-generation DVD formats is a fear that the two camps could go down together if personal computers were developed to store massive amounts of data such as television programs and make DVDs meaningless, an industry analyst said.

Hollywood movie companies have apparently requested the Japanese firms to unify the new DVD formats since the existence of two different formats could force their DVD production costs to double, another analyst said.


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