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Topic: Let the HD DVD format wars begin...
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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
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posted 10-29-2005 07:58 PM
Since we were playing around with "official artwork" of surround sound format logos in the Episode III thread, I thought I would post the newest Dolby brand marks in this thread since Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby True HD were mentioned.

Kinda wierd how Dolby went with the heavier weight of Eurostile on the "Dolby" letters, as well as making them arguably too big for the box around the letters. Seems kinda crowded. It's their artwork though. I made a 15% black background behind the logos, just to be an asshole to others looking to reuse them. "Dammit, Bobby, couldn't you use a White background!? Now I have more work to do!"
Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby True HD both look very promising. However, the Dolby True HD lossless format seems like a replacement for Meridian Lossless Packing. Dolby removed most, if not all, of the documentation they had about MLP from their website. That's why I think it seems like a replacement for MLP.
It's just too bad Hollywood studio execs and lawyers are hamstringing the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray formats so badly. Much of the public may forego seeing just how well Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby True HD perform.
BTW, I thought I would throw in that Dolby Digital Cinema logo as well. It seems kind of appropriate with how Disney is serving up a lot of brand confusion with its "Disney Digital 3D" hype. On top of that, aren't most (or all) of these setups Texas Instruments DLP installations? Shouldn't TI be out there making demands the DLP logo be used?
And some thought the alphabet soup of logo formats for movie posters and credits would be simplified with digital cinema (as a barb toward the three digital surround formats for mainstream film release prints).
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Bobby Henderson
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posted 10-29-2005 10:07 PM
Lexmark Photoshop?
That would be a pretty big trademark violation against Adobe Systems, Inc. Perhaps you mean "Lexmark Imaging Studio?"
Lots of people have Adobe Photoshop. Few have it legally and few know how to use it well. I think a great deal of people download it and other warez apps just to collect them. It's kind of like people who buy other items like expensive electric guitars and then do nothing with them. Just something to admire I guess.
Photoshop is a great application, but it is not an all purpose tool for graphics work. For instance, it annoys the living hell out of me when people design logos in Photoshop. You're supposed to do that kind of work in a vector-drawing program like Adobe Illustrator or CorelDRAW. Want to publish something, such as a brochure, newspaper or quarterly report? You grab your photos and other bitmap images from Photoshop, logos and other vector graphics work from Illustrator and then assemble it all together in a page layout program like Adobe InDesign or Quark Xpress.
Most graphics jobs, be it something in print, web design, video, etc., require the use of multiple applications. There will never be a single application that "does it all." Nor should there ever be. Stronger applications specialize in a core area. Photoshop does just that regarding bitmap images.
Nonetheless, you've gotta put your brain to work on some creative thinking and do some old fashioned doodling "in analog" on paper before you jump in front of the computer. It sucks to design blind starting out from a blank white page on a computer screen. You're going to be faster and more productive if you have a plan.
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Bobby Henderson
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posted 10-30-2005 03:43 PM
Arial is evil. Many hate Helvetica. But Arial is a more ugly Helvetica knock-off. Its tyranny on Windows computers is horrific. For anyone who cares, here's a good article about it: The Scourge of Arial
Andy? Photoshop 2.0?
Considering that version was released in June of 1991, you would have to be running something like an old Mac with a 030 or 040 processor. Windows and Mac PowerPC support didn't come along until Photoshop 2.5.
Here's my Photoshop 2.5 box, an April 1993 release:  Yes, the installer is on just four floppy discs. The full installation takes 8MB of hard disc space and can run on a PC with as little as 4MB of RAM.
Compare that to Adobe's CS2 package: 
Six CDs. Four install discs and two resource discs. You need 650MB of hard disc space and at least 384MB of RAM for PhotoshopCS2. With Adobe Bridge and Version Cue and to run multiple applications you need at least 512MB to 1GB of RAM. The full install of CS2 Premium takes over 3GB of hard disc space.
Oh, and by the way, Andy, those Altec Lansing computer speakers in the background are THX certified. Wow! THX SPL (but not JBL)!
Added Edit: To redirect the thread from its current, somewhat hijacked state, here's the logos of those crazy formats that are being discussed:
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Paul Mayer
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posted 12-19-2005 10:28 PM
From another forum I frequent, looks like at least BD will have region coding...
quote: Blu-Ray Region Coding (08:41 AM EST): AACS has been finalized or is just about to be signed off according to several parties and some information has leaked out. Of big interest to folks around here is region coding. While film studios who are voting members of the AACS group had no interest in region coding and essentially did not want to use it, studios outside of it unsurprisingly did want region coding. So while region coding will be implemented in the Blu-Ray format (HD-DVD is so far undecided), it has been changed from what we're familiar with in DVD land. And it will certainly cause issues, though less than before in my view:
- Region 1: North America, South America, East Asia except for China (India, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Malaysia etc.)
- Region 2: Europe and Africa
- Region 3: China, Russia and other countries
It's also apparent that unlike previous plans to ensure that region coding was outside of the heavy copy protection scheme in order to avoid it being a first round target for breaking, it now looks like region coding will be a part of AACS and therefore much harder to crack.
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Bobby Henderson
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posted 02-21-2006 12:44 PM
It looks as though the Blu-Ray format may be suffering a significant setback. Many have predicted Sony's Playstation 3 gaming console would be a key component in pushing the Blu-Ray format, particularly in the United States. Now it appears PS3 could be delayed until August or even until early 2007.
The delay hasn't been confirmed at this point, but delays over finalizing the specs for AACS and high component costs point to a serious delay.
This development certainly won't hurt X-Box 360 any. And Time-Warner/Toshiba still intend to launch their first slate of HD-DVD players and movies by the end of March.
News Article
quote: Foster City (CA) - Yesterday, the Taipei-based electronics news service DigiTimes reported that it had received indications from a Sony spokesperson that the company may be delaying shipments of its PlayStation 3 game console from this spring, when it was initially expected, until at least August.
The spokesperson apparently indicated to DigiTimes that Sony was not pleased with the pace of progress reportedly being made by the developers of Advanced Access Content System (AACS), the sophisticated copy protection scheme being developed for Blu-ray Disc. Sony's PS3 is slated to contain a BD high-definition player as standard equipment. Although Reuters reported last week that progress was finally being made in finalizing the AACS specs, the DigiTimes report hinted that the Blu-ray Disc Association - of which Sony is a principal member - was displeased with the results so far, and may be delaying Blu-ray development as a result. Caught in the wake may be Sony's PS3, which up to this point had been expected to be the premiere vehicle for Blu-ray, especially in North America.
But PS3 shipments to North America could be delayed even later than August - perhaps as late as January 2007, according to a Financial Times report last weekend. The report cites a Merrill Lynch analyst in Japan as having completed a preliminary teardown analysis of the PS3 - albeit without the system in hand - which concluded Sony's total materials cost per unit could approach $900. According to the DigiTimes report, which cites the Merrill Lynch analysis in greater detail, Sony could be spending as much as $230 per unit just for the 3.2 GHz Cell processor that IBM plans to produce for PS3, plus $350 for the Blu-ray drive and $70 for the Nvidia RSX 550 MHz 1080p graphics processor.
It could be the excessively high cost of materials, the FT report states - not the AACS delays - that could be the principal roadblock to PS3's timely release. In the wake of this analysis, Merrill Lynch has cut its estimates of Sony's annual shipments worldwide for 2006 to between 2 and 3 million units, which may include zero units shipped to the US and Canada. By comparison, Microsoft's Xbox 360 sold 1.5 million units worldwide in the months of November and December 2005.
Last November, electronics analyst firm iSuppli performed a teardown analysis of Xbox 360 - this time, with the actual unit in hand - and concluded Microsoft spent as much as $550 per unit in materials cost alone, during the console's initial production run. That cost included a less expensive CPU than PS3's appears to be - a $106 Power 3 versus an estimated $230 Cell. But Sony may be saving money on its graphics processor, spending $70 on the Nvidia chip by Merrill's estimate, versus $141 spent by Microsoft on its ATI chip.
Curiously, the Merrill report omits the cost for PS3's included hard disk drive, which is not negligible. iSuppli's analysis of Xbox 360 concluded its HDD costs Microsoft about $60. Factor that into the picture, and Sony may actually be paying more to produce each PS3 than Apple pays to produce a Core Duo-based iMac, according to iSuppli estimates.
The FT report claims Sony will probably have more to say about its PlayStation 3 plans during the upcoming E3 Expo in Los Angeles this May. But similar words were stated prior to January's CES in Las Vegas, though Sony declined to follow up. If Sony holds tight even up to may, the negative signal it sends to the market could send shockwaves throughout the entire CE industry, especially the home entertainment division depending on a stellar premiere for Blu-ray Disc. If that happens, last year's shipment debacles concerning Xbox 360 could quickly fade into history. Sony spokespersons have yet to return TG Daily's request for comment.
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