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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 09-20-2011 09:21 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Finally, someone other than myself notices the odd mixing of ESB. My review was downvoted to oblivion on Blu-ray.com because how dare I say anything negative about it. I'm likely just a hater just posting for reasons of hate. [Roll Eyes]

By the way, is the DTSHDMA 24 bit? I'm used to most audio on movies being 16-bit 48khz. Sometimes it is more, but I figure they stick with such a number due to the severe limitations the sound mixing studios likely have in creating a high-resolution master from start to finish.

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 09-21-2011 09:39 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Finally done watching all 6 movies. The CGI in Episodes 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 are about the quality of Playstation 2 graphics. For those not in the know, the Playstation 2 is an older game system from around the year 2000. It did graphics as well as these movies and it had shitty graphics. All muddy with little texture. Just look at Yoda's wooden cane... it's just a shaded brown thing with no significance of wood anywhere. The graphics in Episode 3 did have texture, though. They looked much better.

Episode 3 is also a much, much better movie than the previous 2 and better than Jedi as well. The only things I don't like about it are:
-Darth Vader's "Noooo!"
-The fact that Natalie Portman chooses to die for no reason after the babies were born. That's just stupid. She should have died because two babies were too big for her tiny vagina.
-The fact that they are well under way building the Death Star 5 minutes after Darth Vader is suited up, thus taking around 18 years to complete, but the second, bigger Death Star is way over halfway done I'm guessing 6 or so years after the first one was done blowed up.

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Chris Slycord
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Maybe they learned from the mistakes/slowdowns that happened with the first Death Star and were able to build the second one that much quicker? [Wink]

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John Lasher
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 - posted 09-22-2011 08:46 AM      Profile for John Lasher   Author's Homepage   Email John Lasher   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
^What I was about to say. You beat me to it.

Of course...

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The "Happy" Ending:

The evil Emperor Palpatine hatches a plan to defeat the Rebellion once and for all by telling them the location of his unfinished superweapon and then telling them how to defeat it. This plan goes about exactly as well as you would expect, and our heroes destroy the evil scourge with the help of some genocidal teddy bears.

Wait a Minute...

That epic battle at the end there? That only destroyed one base and a fraction of the troops the Empire had at its disposal. Sure, Vader and the Emperor were both blown up, but that wouldn't destroy the Empire any more than blowing up the Pentagon would dissolve the USA.

What it does do is create a horrific power vacuum, in an empire with fleets of Star Destroyers and millions of pissed-off troops roving around the galaxy (even more pissed off if the payroll office and all of their checks were in the Death Star).

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"So... should we just keep being Stormtroopers, or what?"

Soon these power-hungry military officers would no doubt form factions and destroy entire planets in their brutal attempts to seize power. Eventually Palpatine would simply be replaced by a new Emperor, possibly even one competent enough to devise a plan that can't be foiled by developmentally stunted bears throwing rocks.

Sure, the Death Star was taken out, but that didn't exactly stop them last time. Not to mention that by the time they reach phase twenty-six of their patented "Let's just throw Death Stars at the problem until it goes away" strategy, [below] someone's probably going to decide that maybe the ship doesn't really need an unguarded, torpedo-shaped hole on the outside, thus allowing the Empire to swiftly conquer the entire universe.

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Ron Funderburg
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 - posted 09-23-2011 08:29 PM      Profile for Ron Funderburg   Author's Homepage   Email Ron Funderburg   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well my wife bought me the hole damn star wars saga today for a belated birthday present. So I guess I will start at 1 and watch it all the way through and bitch, bitch, bitch about all the changes! If I'm not careful she wont be buying me any more special things like that so maybe I will just bitch and not the other bitch, bitch.

Have I mentioned I love my wife? I do!

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Brad Miller
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This bit of digital manipulation seems appropriate.

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Aaron Garman
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quote: Joe Redifer
The fact that they are well under way building the Death Star 5 minutes after Darth Vader is suited up, thus taking around 18 years to complete, but the second, bigger Death Star is way over halfway done I'm guessing 6 or so years after the first one was done blowed up.
I always thought that they may have had a second one planned all along and it was already under construction well before the first one was destroyed. To quote a film I like, "First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price? Only, this one can be kept secret."

AJG

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Joe Redifer
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William Hurt should have been The Emperor.

So Aaron, how would you compare Phantom Menace's sound to the almighty LaserDisc?

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Connor Wilson
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Just finished Return of the Jedi now. I would agree that it is the worst of the OT, like other fans. But oddly enough, I think, on the set, the video quality was the worst of the OT, but the best audio quality of the OT.

There were a few shots of the film that looked really muddy, like it was upscaled from a DVD (or 720p if I weren't so harsh). Some shots look really crisp, almost of perfect score, however. The consistency of the film's video transfer just bounces around irrationally. Most of the time it's okay, some are just plain ugly, and 1 or 2 shots (in Endor) were goregous. I also hated how they cranked up the brightness of the second Death Star. Looks washed out, but hey, it already did before.

As for audio quality, and after hearing the timbre-bouncing "Hope" and the off-leveled "Empire", it is, in a word, splendid. Of course, the dialogue wasn't intelligible in some scenes, but unlike "Empire" the bass wasn't overpowered. Although some fans despised the recently-added 'Jedi Rocks' musical number, it at least sounded amazing in this mix. The entire living room turned into a soundstage in that minute-and-a-half (otherwise) dread of helium Tina Turner wailing through the speakers. This is what non-classical music should sound like in 5.1 (or 6.1, to be precise). Had only they restored 'Yub Nub' in this mix...

Return of the Jedi (1983)
Movie: 7/10
Video: 8/10
Audio: 9/10

And Joe, I cannot determine if the DTSHDMA on this box set is 24-bit. Lucasfilm started mixing in 24-bit during post for Episode II, and since the entire saga was remixed for the BD, and DTSHDMA tries to emulate the original master, I would assume it was in 24-bit. As for "Empire," I think they used the same notes from the 2004 mix. The same guy who did those mixes remixed again for the BDs.

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Connor Wilson
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Watched The Phantom Meanace tonight.

Wow, talk about Anakin Skywaxer. As others pointed out, Episode 1 has Digital Video Noise Reduction (DVNR, or DNR for shorter) applied to the video transfer. This was most likely done because it was the only film in the PT to be shot in 35mm, while the rest of the two were shot in 1080/24p video. I guess Lucas wanted to do this to keep the consistency with the PT's look and aesthetic. At least the colors are more vibrant than on the DVD. New CGI Yoda isn't too bad. It actually looks better than the puppet originally used, and no longer serves as a distraction. My only complaint is that Frank Oz's performance was more expressive with the puppet than ILM's digital character, for example, how Yoda's ears drop when saying "Hate... Leads to suffering" is less expressed on the digital version. The entire picture looked soft throughout, not so much the sequences entirely made with CGI which now look dated. Add some edge enhancement here or there, and you've got yourself Ep. I on BD, not as bad as Predator: Ultimate Hunter Edition.

The sound, on the other hand, is intense. Unlike the OT on BD, there is no, if any, little fatigue in the sound mix. Everything is crystal clear and full in dynamic range. I personally can't imagine Episode 1 sounding better, but I have yet heard the Laserdisc's AC3 mix. The pod race sequence, hailed as the king of home theater demo material for several years, sounds abseloutley remarkable. The lightsaber duel with Maul hit hard on the low end, and the entire mix is just perfect.

The Phantom Meanace (1999)
Movie: 4/10
Video: 6.5/10
Audio: 10/10

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Tom Petrov
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Saw the saga at Wal-mart tonight, $90 for the whole set....I think I'll pass...I think those who did buy it got suckered....

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Mark J. Marshall
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quote: Connor Wilson
The lightsaber duel with Maul hit hard on the low end
I loved that about the mix in the theater. Heavy heavy bass on the lightsabers, and it sounded awesome. The lightsabers in Episodes II and III didn't really have that punch to it in my opinion.

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Joe Redifer
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The thing about the home version of the pod race sequence is that it is too long. The theatrical/LaserDisc version makes you want to watch it again because the length is just right, but the other versions add a lot of stuff that doesn't really need to be there. It begins by introducing EVERY racer. Nobody cares about the other racers. Then more stuff goes wrong with Anakin's pod than used to, it's just "oh geez just finish already you little turd". But yes, the sound mix is quite awesome.

They took time to add CGI Yoda, etc. I wish they would have taken the time to delete at least a few Jar Jar scenes. NOBODY would have complained. I wonder what made George think Jar Jar was a good idea in the first place. The least they could have done was change his voice.

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Aaron Garman
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quote: Joe Redifer
So Aaron, how would you compare Phantom Menace's sound to the almighty LaserDisc?
I haven't done a direct comparison yet...but the Blu-ray did sound pretty damn phenomenal. If anything, it definitely didn't seem as bright but the LFE was still substantial. You're also very correct about the extended pod race: it really hurts the pacing. The theatrical cut is far superior for that scene.

Digital Yoda looks great...a welcome change if you ask me.

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Connor Wilson
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Just finished Attack of the Clones tonight. Worst episode in the saga, IMO.

Picture quality is step beyond "Menace." Although there is no DNR, as this film was shot digitally, it still looks very, very soft. I didn't notice the "new and improved" color timing on this one. It was very subtle, but I was expecting more green like I saw on the screenshots. In fact, I don't own the DVD.

Audio was good, but a bit lacking compared to "Menace."

Attack of the Clones (2002)
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Video: 7/10
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