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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Actually the poor light distribution you saw was more likely due to poorly designed(improperly curved)silver screen install.

The Christie projectors have auto lamp alignment that works far better then one could attempt to adjust it manually. The NEC I can't speak for... DP-100's are manual alignment through the use of a meter on the TPC. If the Christie projector is newish... made in the last year or so... then it's capable of putting out far more light than it's NEC or BARCO equivelent.SOme of the older Christies have Thyristor rectifiers that are less then desrible as they tend to produce artifacts of their own in certain typoes of images.

Both systems should be at least as good as each other... the Master Image can very definately produce far brighter images then either Dolby or Real-D. You failed to mention the 3-D system in use at the other location too...

I just installed 2 more Dolby 3-D systems this week. One on a CP-2000SB with 6ks lamp and one on a CP-2000 SB that uses the CDXL30-SD lamp. Different size screens diffrent situations but both ended up at about 4.3 fl and both looked darn good.

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Lyle Romer
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I assume since it is a regal the other location was Real-D since I think that's all they use.

Don't all the large chains use Real-D exclusively?

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Monte L Fullmer
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I would say they would due to the fact of staff not having to "babysit" the patrons in getting those glasses back of the Dolby 3D format.

Plus, kiddies love keeping the 3D glasses as additional toys for their toybox.

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Steve Guttag
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Except Fox is going to start charging for the glasses starting with Ice Age unless they've backed down on it...so add that little cost to the whole shebang.

As to Christie's auto lamp focus...it is good but one can often pick up a smidge more if they finish it by hand.

As to the quality differences...like with film...you are at the mercy of the installer and how it is maintained too. The best system can look like crap if poorly installed or kept up.

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Lyle Romer
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I predict that Fox will back down since Regal told them they will just run it in 2D if they won't pay for the glasses. Of course they'll just raise the percentage to make up for it but hey, that's the exhibition business.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote:
s to Christie's auto lamp focus...it is good but one can often pick up a smidge more if they finish it by hand.

I've done three this week.... A CDXL-60, CDXL-30, CDXL-30SD and couldn't get any more acceptable light out of them by using a meter and manual adjustments... What I find is that if one goes for a little more light then it ends up not being as flat. The auto sensor seems to go for best light flatness at the highest possible intensity. I suspect that alot of research went into that white sensor box thingy and the software that drives it!!

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Lyle Romer
Regal told them they will just run it in 2D if they won't pay for the glasses.
Why don't ALL the chains do that?

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Lyle Romer
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I wouldn't be surprised if AMC, Cinemark and Carmike follow suit. I think regal alone controls enough 3D screens to force fox to change their policy.

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Julio Roberto
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All 3D systems, when properly installed and calibrated, should produce about the same image quality. There are only minor differences:

-Dolby's colors are a bit different due to the filters and reduced color gamut

-RealD has more potential ghosting (double images in scenes with very bright stuff on darkish backgrounds, i.e.). It's followed by Master Image, then XpanD and finally Dolby.

-Both realD and Master Image need to use the "usually not very good" silver screen, which may affect images in more than one way, unless it's a good one, well installed and the projection calibrated for it.

-XpanD would "flicker" a bit more than the other systems. Also, the projection needs to be color corrected through the glasses just like with any other system, as the glasses do alter the color a bit. RealD's and Master Images's as well, but a bit less.

But all 3D products MUST produce the exact same result aside from differences in:

-minor colormetry issues (that can be mostly corrected) coming from the filters used in the glasses or the projectors

-light uniformity issues from silver screens (that can also be minimized, but often are not)

-light intensity issues (that can theoretically always be properly corrected by using even more powerful lamps/multiple projectors)

-ghosting (which can be reduced by lowering the contrast-and-thus-quality of the film through ghostbusting processes done at the studio or by the server)

Otherwise, they are "identical" in the result and thus shouldn't significantly produce a different experience.

Another difference is with dual projection systems (Imax) or dual-lens systems (sony). They have the added advantage that they don't "flicker" (they don't produce assymetrical temporal disparities) at all, like all the other systems do. Also, in practical terms, they MAY (but not necessarily) offer better-everything (better lighting, less ghosting, better color resolution and depth, etc). They also MAY produce worse distortions (keystoning) and light uniformity (i.e. one projector is brighter than the other or brighter in different parts of the screen, as when the bulb is not perfectly aligned in both the same).

Nevertheless, the screen size, seating position, and sourrindings do affect the 3D perception, so one can only properly compare 3D systems when watched in very similar screens at similar distances/positions.

The amount of ambient light as well as "obstacles" (i.e. people's heads in front of you, etc) also contribute to the perception of depth, as our brain's visual system compares stuff relative to other stuff. Thus color "white" is only color "white" when we compare it with other known colors and automatically adjust to it. And "far or near" perception is similarly helped by other clues such as perspective, etc

i.e. you can fool the eye into thinking stuff is close or far with forced-perspective miniatures, etc, like in this music video, where we are made believed that stuff is further (and bigger) than they are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZYh_HRY70g

If we had a reference point, like say the head of an espectator in front of us that we know it's aprox. 1 meter away, then we could more properly judge where the rest of the stuff is suppossed to be in space in a 3D movie. If the theater is all dark and there's "nothing but darkness" between us and the screen, it would be hard to judge just exactly how far or close those objects in the movie are suppossed to be. Depending on your seating position, you could get quite a different (subjective) experience.

[ 04-17-2009, 03:20 PM: Message edited by: Julio Roberto ]

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