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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Steve Guttag
The problem with shareholders is they are never really in it for the long-term...they can see on each quarterly report (and daily profit/loss of their stock price) what a company is doing right now.
That's just it. The shareholders doing the most executive arm twisting in publicly traded corporations are not in it for the long term. The phrase "buy and hold" is looked upon as something only chumps do. These guys want immediate, big returns and want those returns one quarter after the next. They raise hell to the board and even file lawsuits to make companies do things that may or may not pay off big in the short term at the expense of long term strategy.

This kind of thing comes up in the business press all the time, like Carl Icahn screaming at Apple to pay out huge dividends from the mountain of cash they have. Maybe Apple shouldn't do that. It might be in their best interest to buy back as much stock as possible so they have more voting power in how to run their company.

Plenty of us have a lot of money tied up in stock. I have a bunch of money tied up in IRAs and that sort of thing. But I'm not calling board members of a company whose stock I own at all hours of the night making demands on how they should run their company.

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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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quote: Lyle Romer
I think you are being a little bit unfair. Sure, there are investors that feel that way. On the other side, there are plenty of people like me that invest in stocks that pay dividends. In that case, the most important thing is that the company makes a good profit consistently.

It's nice if the stock price rises at least as much as inflation on top of the dividend but the most important thing to me is the dividend. I'm not going to get super rich this way but I'm a lot less likely to suffer big losses and I'm likely to get a MUCH better return than I could with a savings account or CD.

Which is all fine and dandy Lyle, but if a healthy company can grow then its profits should grow as well. That is the ideal situation.

In the case of Dolby, cinema products/optical discs/receivers and PCs sales are all declining. Broadcast is on the up. Where is the one segment that Dolby does not compete very well in (compared to their utter dominance in other segments) and that is the mobile segment.

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Sam D. Chavez
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Bravo to Steve

In my ideal business world the company is formed to make excellent products. You do this by hiring the best people empowering them and taking care of them in order to have a motivated work force. This is the real value of the company, products and people and loyal, happy customers.

Instead we have MBA's playing games to increase short term value for the shareholders, selling off the cores of companies, outsourcing manufacturing, treating customer service people like the enemy, etc.

MBA's are taught to do just this at every business school and these are supposed to be the smartest among us.

There are exceptions of course, Costco does a good job and Wallmart is atrocious, but that's just me talking.

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Lyle Romer
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quote: Sam D. Chavez
In my ideal business world the company is formed to make excellent products. You do this by hiring the best people empowering them and taking care of them in order to have a motivated work force. This is the real value of the company, products and people and loyal, happy customers.

Instead we have MBA's playing games to increase short term value for the shareholders, selling off the cores of companies, outsourcing manufacturing, treating customer service people like the enemy, etc.

MBA's are taught to do just this at every business school and these are supposed to be the smartest among us.

There are exceptions of course, Costco does a good job and Wallmart is atrocious, but that's just me talking.

Sam,

I agree with most of what you state here. Back "in the day" companies were formed and run by visionaries. Many of these people didn't graduate college (and didn't even go in some cases). They formed an ran a business based on your model of success. Prior to the early 1900s I guess the motivating of the workforce part was done in a different way by people like Andrew Carnegie (who, I don't even think attended high school or even middle school).

The only thing I disagree with is the Costco/Walmart comparison. The only real difference between the way the companies are run is the wages and benefits to employees are much better at Costco. However, the Costco model of compensation wouldn't work at walmart due to sheer size. Walmart has 9 times as many US locations and they are much bigger in square footage (requiring more employees per location).

The Costco model is to sell a higher dollar amount per square foot and per employee. That isn't to say that I don't think walmart could (and should) pay more than they do but they can't possibly get the productivity per employee to support the Costco model due to the sheer number of locations and average size of the locations.

In that comparison, it has nothing to do with MBAs.

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Steve Guttag
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And yet Ray Dolby did graduate college...was a visionary, and did this in the 1960s+. Did start a highly respected company and developed it on making quality products and innovations that the world, by and large, embraced. Unfortunately, as Mr. Dolby has recently proven, you can't live forever.

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Sam D. Chavez
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I was not citing the Dolby example specifically although it does fit the bill. There are many examples of "enlightened capitalism".

Of course, a great company must start with a great idea. Hardest thing of all to do. I was talking more about what happens after the initial success. I like to think treating employees well and concentrating on excellent hardware and/or software before worrying about paying dividends is the right thing to do.

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
Which is all fine and dandy Lyle, but if a healthy company can grow then its profits should grow as well. That is the ideal situation.
But like I implied earlier, it can't grow forever. That's impossible. So your company will eventually become unhealthy. Shareholders will be pissed. Headlines will be written.

Also, I do not buy stocks. Like Sam, I'd be in it to make an excellent product and/or service. Making money doing it is certainly fine, preferably enough to stay afloat comfortably. I wouldn't have any greedy shareholders to answer to.

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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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Is this really what Dolby is focusing on?

Dolby Targets the Conference Call

Company to Add Speakerphone to Its Effort

Dolby built a brand by enhancing sound in recorded music, movies and television shows. Now it's targeting a fixture of the business world—the conference call.

The San Francisco-based company, facing pressures to diversify, has been working to improve sound fidelity and isolate individual speakers' voices during meetings conducted over the phone. Dolby last fall disclosed its technology, along with a conferencing service offered through BT Group BT.A.LN -2.24% PLC, and on Friday is unveiling updates that include a speakerphone that Dolby hopes to deliver later this year.

Dolby has joined a crowd of companies that are trying to profit from the continued growth of conference calls despite the rise of video-based alternatives. Some also are exploiting Web-based technologies and the related shift of callers to personal computers and smartphones.

Mike Hollier, an auditory science expert who joined Dolby as chief technology officer of its new communications division, said face-to-face meetings are more intelligible because of visual cues and people's two ears, which help distinguish where sounds are coming from. He said most traditional conferencing offerings compress the sound of voices in ways that strip out useful clues such as who is talking.

Dolby developed new conferencing software, some of which runs on BT's servers; accompanying software is installed on PCs or other devices equipped for audio calls. Dolby and BT on Friday also plan to unveil smartphone apps to work with the new service.

In a demonstration at Dolby's offices, the company showed off a prototype of its speakerphone, a circular device with a touch screen and microphones that help distinguish the direction of people talking. A person calling in on a smartphone can also notice the sense of movement as a speaker stood up and walked across the room.

In user tests, the company asked people to perform sets of tasks that were easy in face-to-face meetings, but declined to about 30% efficiency in a conventional conference call, Mr. Hollier said. Their efficiency rose to the "high 60s" after using Dolby Voice, he said.

"It is so clear. It picks up everything," said Rich Lappenbusch, president of StratusCore, a Seattle-based digital-media services company that tested the Dolby-based BT MeetMe service and is now a Dolby Voice customer. "It reminds me of the first time I saw HDTV."

The conferencing-technology business has many players, including Cisco Systems Inc. CSCO -0.79% and Polycom Inc., PLCM -1.59% and competition among free and paid service providers keep pushing per-minute charges down.

Analysts at Wainhouse Research estimate the number of conference-call minutes offered by service providers will reach 114 billion this year, up more than 50% since 2010. But world-wide revenue has been close to flat since 2010 at about $4.1 billion, the firm said.

Some rivals have also been pushing their own improvements in sound quality, questioning whether customers that test the alternatives will prefer the new Dolby Voice offering.

"Time will tell, but I think they face a pretty strong headwind," said Jeff Rodman, a Polycom co-founder who holds the title of fellow and chief technology evangelist.

Dolby, whose founder Ray Dolby died last year, has faced pressures to move into new markets as licensing revenue has slowed from products such as DVDs and PC software. The company, founded in 1965, has sold hardware to studio professionals but more often licenses technology to others.

In the case of its new conference phone, expected to be priced at around $1,600, Dolby executives said they wanted at least initially to control all of the audio experience.

"We think we're bringing tremendous differentiation to an industry that has heard about nothing but price per minute," said Kevin Yeaman, Dolby's president and CEO. "This business could be as big as any of our existing businesses."

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Mike Blakesley
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I expect Dolby is "focusing on" a lot of things you're not aware of. They're diversifying into a new field. What is wrong with that exactly?

The better question is, why are you constantly on here trying to disparage the Dolby name?

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Mike, Dolby used to be a lot more relevant in cinemas, now they are nowhere near as relevant, almost forgotten. With Atmos, I don't think it will do well long term, I think it will go the way of Dolby 7.1.

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Mark Hajducki
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According to BT Conferencing the Dolby partnership adds:

quote:
High quality sound - background noise reduction combined with high definition quality

Voice separation - sounds come from different directions (just like being round the meeting room table)

Which seems very close to Dolby's other activities.

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
Dolby used to be a lot more relevant in cinemas, now they are nowhere near as relevant, almost forgotten.
Dolby is still very relevant in the theatrical market. They're making just as many (if not more) products for cinemas than when everything was film-based.

quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
With Atmos, I don't think it will do well long term, I think it will go the way of Dolby 7.1.
Little news flash for you, Terry. Thousands of movie theater sound systems are wired for 7.1. And there's no shortage of theaters using Dolby-branded gear to play it. There's a hell of a lot more 7.1 wired theaters than IMAX-branded theaters.

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quote: Bobby Henderson
Dolby is still very relevant in the theatrical market. They're making just as many (if not more) products for cinemas than when everything was film-based.
In the minds of the consumer (customers buying the tickets) Dolby is totally irrelevant. Compared to the 80s and 90s where Dolby 6-track was synonymous with event movies and the double D Dolby logo was all over newspapers ads and theatre marquees, the new generation simply does not see the Dolby logo like I did in the past. The Dolby Atmos does have some advertising and exposure that reminds me of the past but Atmos is just in their infancy and still only has 300 or so Atmos equipped locations. Also, you must not forget that Dolby True HD is almost nowhere to be found on blu-ray, it is there but it is not a prevalent as Dolby Digital was on DVD or laserdisc.

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quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
Compared to the 80s and 90s where Dolby 6-track was synonymous with event movies and the double D Dolby logo was all over newspapers ads and theatre marquees, the new generation simply does not see the Dolby logo like I did in the past.
That's because today, good movie sound is a "given." It's expected. You don't see theaters advertising IN COLOR! anymore either.

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quote: Mike Blakesley
That's because today, good movie sound is a "given." It's expected.
So that makes the success of object based sound even more difficult don't you think?

Sound up until up 2008 for 35mm was still a mixed bag IMO at least in my area, Famous Players always did sound well in their theaters but Cineplex was always a mixed bag. AMC was terrible especially with those wall/roof mounted speakers pointed down from all channels. Rainbow Cinemas was usually pretty good with 35mm but I have yet to see a digital presentation at one their cinemas.

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