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Author Topic: Gemini Man - HFR Test Mike Moreno Expert Film Handler Posts: 200 From: culiacan sinaloa mexico Registered: Jul 2008 posted 09-29-2019 04:03 PM                        Sadly we recieved 2 hard drives, one on 3Dhfr and one 2D 24fps i have only one auditorium 3D hfr capable and i was ready to project in all 60 auditoriums 2D version in 120 fps:thumbsdown: Mike Moreno Mx  |  IP: Logged Andrew Leist Film Handler Posts: 8 From: Culver City, CA, United States Registered: Jul 2014 posted 10-01-2019 11:42 AM                        We got the GEMINI MAN test clips (2D 120fps, and 3D 60fps) a couple weeks ago, and it took some effort to make the 3D work. We have Christie IMB and CP4230 projector, and Dolby DFC100 wheel. After updating projector & IMB versions, we had to adjust the filter sync slider in the Dolby app to reduce text ghosting and make the test patterns look right. But we're finally ready and will screen the 3D version next week.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-03-2019 07:22 AM                     Does anyone know wether Dolby Cinemas receive a 120fps (per eye) 3D version? Because, they should be able to play a HFR-120fps version.  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 10-03-2019 10:29 AM                        We're not running it (closed for the season now), but I did try the test file. My Doremi server loaded some alternate firmware... took between 45 seconds to a minute to do that. The video was good, but the audio sounded like Alvin, running a chainsaw. Went back to normal content and the server loaded its original firmware. Took another 45 seconds + to do that. If we got the audio worked out and did try to run it in HFR, that switching between fw versions would be a deal-breaker for me.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-03-2019 03:37 PM                     A german colleague tells me he is playing the 3D HFR (60fps per eye) on his (single) CAT745 IMB. He is on DSS 4.8.x though. Maybe 4.9x is the problem with the 60fps 3D version/test files?  |  IP: Logged Stephan Shelley Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 854 From: castro valley, CA, usa Registered: Nov 2014 posted 10-03-2019 04:49 PM                     I tried it on a DSS 200 with Cat 745 running 7.8.10 and it stopped a few seconds into playing. My friends at Dolby say some have reported success with the test but Dolby's testing is negative and can not say how reliable it will be with those that test positive with a cat 745. Dolby's official position is that it is not a supported format.  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 10-03-2019 06:43 PM                     quote: Carsten Kurz Does anyone know wether Dolby Cinemas receive a 120fps (per eye) 3D version? Because, they should be able to play a HFR-120fps version. Yes, they do. The Dolby Cinema locations in the Netherlands will play it in 120 FPS 3D as a first feature that uses the full bandwidth of the system.  |  IP: Logged Stephan Shelley Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 854 From: castro valley, CA, usa Registered: Nov 2014 posted 10-03-2019 07:02 PM                     Typo in my above post meant 4.8.10.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-04-2019 06:52 AM                     I guess Dolby did not want to suggest a downgrade from 4.9.x to 4.8.x to make it 'compatible'. They'd probably prefer seeing exhibitors to upgrade to a ShowVault or IMS to play Gemini Man 3D. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-04-2019 07:21 AM                     No...I think it is a liability. For Dolby to say they have a version that works, they would have to know that it works for all servers using a particular version (sort of like with the Showvault/IMB a special version has to be loaded). That version would need to be tested on all DSS200 and DSS220 combinations with the various OEMs or they would find themselves having to "fix" in short order a "feature" they claimed to have on a server that is now 4-years out of production. It is MUCH easier to say that the DSS line does not support this release. All of that to support one title.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-04-2019 07:35 AM                     Well, the trouble here is, for ALL DSS systems, DSS/DSP100, CAT862 AND CAT745, it means, no 3D playout of Gemini Man at all, as there seems to be no standard 24/48fps 3D version. If it was only for the HFR version, who'd care... - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 10-04-2019 09:58 AM                     "Doremi" (not DSS) Dolby servers... "switching between fw versions would be a deal-breaker for me" If you run manually, just open the playlist and hit "pause" in playback a few minutes before showtime and it will load the appropriate firmware. Scheduled shows have no problems, the server will automatically load a required firmware change two minutes before scheduled showtime. If the projector lamp is on with dowser open in a server channel, there will be some odd flashing junk on screen during the change. I believe current software will prompt you to change a playlist's properties to "contains HFR content" if you try to save it without doing it (if you include an HFR clip, that is).  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-04-2019 10:45 AM                     The DSS/DSP100 systems were already excluded from HFR as that version of server topped out at 48fps 2D and 24fps 3D...furthermore, it wasn't an "upto" criteria...they listed specific formats it would support (same as other server companies on the HDSDI systems). Since 48fps 2D didn't really materialize in the DSS/DSP100 lifetime, I suspect a "modern" movie may choke the 100 series systems, depending on the bandwidth (which is probably the DSS server problems with Gemini Man.  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 10-05-2019 05:42 AM                     I've always wondered why the dual firmware. The HFR firmware is dealing with both HFR and non-HFR, as a playlist would normally contain mixed content. So why not running HFR firmware all the time?  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-05-2019 05:57 AM                     Something tells me we do not want to know the answer to that question... - Carsten  |  IP: Logged

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