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Author Topic: Gemini Man - HFR Test Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-06-2019 10:26 AM                     BTW - there are two different 3D-HFR DCPs (three including the Dolby Cinema 'true 120fps' version). One version is for dual/simultaneous 3D projection systems (dual projector, Sony split-lens), the second is for sequential/'flashing' systems (typical DLP 3D setups). The 60fps image/flashing sequence derived from the 120fps master is different between the two. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-07-2019 09:36 AM                        For all this agita, are exhibitors actually selling HFR to customers? How's the marketing for this title? Are they actually making a big deal about the HFR? And is the difference a substantial hook to pull more butts into seats and does Joe Moviegoer see it as a plus that he's willing to seek out a theatre running it in HFR? I know I would seek out a 3D theatre with dual projectors over one with double flash single projector LONG before I would hunt for a theatre running it in HFR.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-07-2019 04:40 PM                     The special HFR marketing on Gemini Man is practically non-existent. I guess Paramount gives a shit about it. The german Gemini Man website mentions 'IMAX', but nothing like HFR or anything else targeted at that aspect. I think, since the Hobbit, HFR has a smell to it for the general audience. 'Oh, that comicy Hobbit thing'. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Kristoffer Sjoberg Film Handler Posts: 2 From: Goteborg Sweden .... Registered: Nov 2015 posted 10-08-2019 05:25 AM                        So the first test material didn't work for me either on a CAT745. But a few days ago I got a clip from the movie itself "GEMINI-MAN-HFR-DLP_TST-3D-60_F_EN_SV_SE_51-DBOX_2K_PC_20191002_DTU_SMTPE-3D_VF" 11min and it works just fine. DSS200 version 4.9.1  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-08-2019 06:57 AM                     I'd probably still recommend running the entire thing before boasting that it works. If it hangs anywhere in the movie it could be a very bad evening. It is good to know that the feature seems to be working though. Who knows if they altered their formatting after generating the test material.  |  IP: Logged Kristoffer Sjoberg Film Handler Posts: 2 From: Goteborg Sweden .... Registered: Nov 2015 posted 10-08-2019 07:08 AM                        Absolutely, we have installed a showvault in the screen where we will be showing it. Just wanted to point out that the new testmaterial worked. I have unfortunately not a KDM for the movie to other screens than the showvault one  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-08-2019 09:24 AM                     Interesting that they issued new test material from the actual movie with a different encoding. Now what if that new encoding would fail on other systems successfully tested earlier this year with the original test footage... - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Jensen Film Handler Posts: 23 From: Copenhagen V, Copenhagen/Denmark Registered: Sep 2010 posted 10-08-2019 10:42 AM                     Carsten: quote: Carsten Kurz The special HFR marketing on Gemini Man is practically non-existent. I guess Paramount gives a shit about it. The german Gemini Man website mentions 'IMAX', but nothing like HFR or anything else targeted at that aspect. I think, since the Hobbit, HFR has a smell to it for the general audience. 'Oh, that comicy Hobbit thing'. Carsten, I believe you're right about the smell of 'HFR' is bad after 'The Hobbit', and yet it seems Paramount or maybe it's only IMAX, actually does market it as HFR in new wrapping by calling it "3D+ in HFR": https://www.imax.com/news/experience-gemini-man-in-imax-3dplus-in-hfr Another confusing and annoying new term that doesn't make sense :-( J  |  IP: Logged Scott Jentsch Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1061 From: New Berlin, WI, USA Registered: Apr 2003 posted 10-08-2019 09:28 PM                        I wrote an article about 3D+ in HFR in the hopes of explaining it to our readers: What is 3D+ in HFR? If anyone has anything that should be corrected or added, please let me know and I'll update it.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 10-09-2019 12:09 PM                     It doesn't look like our local Lie-MAX theater will be playing Gemini Man in "3D+ HFR." My guess is such shows are confined to IMAX' laser-based theaters. It doesn't look like any other 3D-capable screens in town are going to be playing it that way either. Not that it matters, Gemini Man is currently at 33% on the TomatoMeter™, so it's likely I may not waste my time on it.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-09-2019 04:09 PM                     So what is the 120fps Dolby Cinema version? '3D-HFR-DoublePlusGood' ? - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-09-2019 09:04 PM                     https://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/pr?newsID=5575 -------------------------------- Los Angeles—Oct 3, 2019 Pioneering 120fps HFR Cinema with Paramount Pictures’ Gemini Man, from Legendary Filmmaker Ang Lee Three-time Academy Award-winning filmmaker Ang Lee’s much anticipated new film, Paramount Pictures Gemini Man premieres on October 6th at the TCL Chinese Theatre in Los Angeles – a movie palace situated on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. This historic location serves as the perfect showcase for a film that stretches technological boundaries by being produced in 4K resolution, 3D, and shot at a high frame rate (HFR) of 120 fps (frames per second). Ang Lee is well-known as a pioneer of HFR filmmaking. Gemini Man is an action-thriller starring Will Smith as Henry Brogan, an elite assassin who is suddenly targeted and pursued by a mysterious young operative who can seemingly predict his every move. The film demonstrates the advantages of the format and the progress of HFR technologies to moviegoers. The screening at the star-studded event will use CINITY, the new HFR cinema projection system developed by Christie for Huaxia Film Distribution, which offers the latest advances in HFR screening and Christie® RealLaser™ illumination technology. Christie’s strategic partnership with Huaxia Film Distribution and GDC Technology Limited resulted in the development of the CINITY Cinema System based on two Christie CP4450-RGB HFR projectors. Shot on location in the USA, Colombia and Hungary, Gemini Man is distributed by Paramount Pictures, a company which has set the standard in cinema for over a century. This makes the company well-placed to showcase the hyper-clarity and realism synonymous with HFR presentation to audiences in the USA and across the globe. For the premiere at the TCL Chinese Theatre, the CINITY cinema system will be configured to produce a brightness of up to 28-foot lamberts using Christie’s laser optical system technology, delivering the finest 3D-viewing experience in 4K resolution at 120fps for each eye. Paramount is distributing Gemini Man in a range of versions including 2D 4K 24fps through 3D 2K 60fps for use with current cinema projectors, 3D 2K 120fps for Dolby Cinema, and has mastered a 3D 4K 120fps version in partnership with Christie which will be shown at the premiere and at select locations in Asia. “We’re proud to be presenting Ang Lee’s incredible film to the premiere audience in 4K resolution, 3D, and at 120 frames a second (fps) using the CINITY system with Christie RealLaser technology – a bold specification that exceeds all DCI-compliant presentation systems,” says Kyle Davies, President of Domestic Distribution for Paramount Pictures. “We are excited by this new technology and look forward to its roll out in theatres worldwide.” Lee, who is known for both his dramatic storytelling and adoption of new technologies, won one Oscarâ for the best foreign language film Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and two directing Oscarsâ for Brokeback Mountain and Life of Pi. His 2016 film Billy Lynn’s Long Halftime Walk, was the first ever feature film to be shot in 120 fps high frame rate – over twice Peter Jackson’s The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, shot at 48 fps, and five times the standard speed of 24 fps. “Since working with Ang Lee and having created an HFR preview shown at NAB and IBC in 2016, we have demonstrated to the world that Christie is the only projector manufacturer capable of showing 4K, 3D and 120 fps per eye on a giant cinema screen,” says Brian Claypool, vice president, Product Management at Christie. “Our partnership with Huaxia Film to develop and promote premium format movies, has led us to helping to bring Ang Lee’s vision to life with his latest film, and the results are simply spectacular. It is exciting to be leading the way in this field and helping to deliver exciting new experiences to audiences.” Christie’s RealLaser projectors comply with DCI standards and deliver more than 95 percent of Rec. 2020 without filtering or color correction. The rich, deep, and intense colors along with high contrast create astounding visuals, while delivering significant operational efficiencies. -----------------------------------  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 10-10-2019 12:47 AM                     From what I've been able to gather from a few different articles on the topic, no commercial movie theaters in the United States will be showing Gemini Man in the way it was originally shot: 4K @ 120fps. A few Dolby Cinema theaters around the country will be showing Gemini Man in "3D+" @ 120fps, but only in 2K rather than 4K. The IMAX with Laser locations that are showing the movie will apparently be showing it in 4K but at 60fps. And everyone else will be sucking hind tit. Judging by the Rotten Tomatoes score (still at 33%), anyone buying tickets at all might be sucking hind tit on this one.  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 10-10-2019 02:14 AM                     It's more a tech-demo than a proper movie as it seems now. Yes, the Dolby Cinema locations will show it at 2K3D. Apparently, their current generation IMSes are the bottleneck in doing 120fps 4K. Apparently, the only Dolby Vision graded version will be the 2K3D@120FPS version. Also keep in mind that the movie was only shot at 3.2K, so the 4K version is essentially a blowup. I've seen 120FPS 4K 3D at IBC. It's a stunning thing to look at, but not something that inherently improves storytelling. The "hyper-realism" this introduces only makes it more difficult to put forward a believable environment with believable acting.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-10-2019 07:44 AM                        I don't understand -- Lie-MAX site says that the 3D+HFR Experience is 60fps yet elsewhere all the talk is that the HFR is 120fps. Which is it?  |  IP: Logged

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