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Bruce Schneiter
Film Handler
Posts: 10
From: Oldsmar, FL, USA
Registered: May 2003
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posted 06-10-2008 04:16 PM
Yup, it is a law. Has been for quite awhile. This is the current version...
The 2005 Florida Statutes
Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 847 OBSCENITY
847.013 Exposing minors to harmful motion pictures, exhibitions, shows, presentations, or representations.--
(1) "KNOWINGLY" DEFINED.--As used in this section "knowingly" means having general knowledge of, reason to know, or a belief or ground for belief which warrants further inspection or inquiry of both:
(a) The character and content of any motion picture described herein which is reasonably susceptible of examination by the defendant, or the character of any exhibition, presentation, representation, or show described herein, other than a motion picture show, which is reasonably susceptible of being ascertained by the defendant, and
(b) The age of the minor; however, an honest mistake shall constitute an excuse from liability hereunder if the defendant made a reasonable bona fide attempt to ascertain the true age of such minor.
(2) OFFENSES AND PENALTIES.--
(a) It is unlawful for any person knowingly to exhibit for a monetary consideration to a minor or knowingly to sell or rent a videotape of a motion picture to a minor or knowingly sell to a minor an admission ticket or pass or knowingly admit a minor for a monetary consideration to premises whereon there is exhibited a motion picture, exhibition, show, representation, or other presentation which, in whole or in part, depicts nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement, sexual battery, bestiality, or sadomasochistic abuse and which is harmful to minors.
(b) It is unlawful for any person knowingly to rent or sell, or loan to a minor for monetary consideration, a videocassette or a videotape of a motion picture, or similar presentation, which, in whole or in part, depicts nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement, sexual battery, bestiality, or sadomasochistic abuse and which is harmful to minors.
(c) The provisions of paragraph (a) do not apply to a minor when the minor is accompanied by his or her parents or either of them.
(d) It is unlawful for any minor to falsely represent to the owner of any premises mentioned in paragraph (a), or to the owner's agent, or to any person mentioned in paragraph (b), that such minor is 17 years of age or older, with the intent to procure such minor's admission to such premises, or such minor's purchase or rental of a videotape, for a monetary consideration.
(e) It is unlawful for any person to knowingly make a false representation to the owner of any premises mentioned in paragraph (a), or to the owner's agent, or to any person mentioned in paragraph (b), that he or she is the parent of any minor or that any minor is 17 years of age or older, with intent to procure such minor's admission to such premises or to aid such minor in procuring admission thereto, or to aid or enable such minor's purchase or rental of a videotape, for a monetary consideration.
(f) A violation of any provision of this subsection constitutes a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(3) INJUNCTIVE PROCEEDINGS.--
(a) The circuit court has jurisdiction to enjoin a threatened violation of subsection (2) upon complaint filed by the state attorney in the name of the state upon the relation of such state attorney.
(b) After the filing of such a complaint, the judge to whom it is presented may grant an order restraining the person or persons complained of until final hearing or further order of the court. Whenever the relator requests a judge of such court to set a hearing upon an application for such a restraining order, such judge shall set such hearing for a time within 3 days after the making of such request. No such order shall be made unless such judge is satisfied that sufficient notice of the application therefor has been given to the person or persons restrained of the time when and place where the application for such restraining order is to be heard. However, such notice shall be dispensed with when it is manifest to such judge, from the allegations of a sworn complaint or independent affidavit, sworn to by the relator or by some person associated with him or her in the field of law enforcement and filed by the relator, that the apprehended violation will be committed if an immediate remedy is not afforded.
(c) The person or persons sought to be enjoined shall be entitled to a trial of the issues within 1 day after joinder of issue, and a decision shall be rendered by the court within 2 days after the conclusion of the trial.
(d) In any action brought as provided in this section, no bond or undertaking shall be required of the state or the relator state attorney before the issuance of a restraining order provided for by this section, and there shall be no liability on the part of the state or the relator state attorney for costs or damages sustained by reason of such restraining order in any case in which a final decree is rendered in favor of the person or persons sought to be enjoined.
(e) Every person who has possession, custody, or control of, or otherwise deals with, any motion picture, exhibition, show, representation, or presentation described in this section, after the service upon him or her of a summons and complaint in an action for injunction brought under this section, is chargeable with knowledge of the contents or character thereof.
(4) LEGISLATIVE INTENT.--In order to make the application and enforcement of this section uniform throughout the state, it is the intent of the Legislature to preempt the field, to the exclusion of counties and municipalities, insofar as it concerns exposing persons under 17 years of age to harmful motion pictures, exhibitions, shows, representations, and presentations. To that end, it is hereby declared that every county ordinance and every municipal ordinance adopted prior to July 1, 1969, and relating to such subject shall stand abrogated and unenforceable on and after such date and that no county, municipality, or consolidated county-municipal government shall have the power to adopt any ordinance relating to that subject on or after such effective date.
History.--ss. 1, 2, 3, 4, ch. 69-10; s. 1055, ch. 71-136; s. 34, ch. 73-334; s. 3, ch. 83-77; s. 4, ch. 86-38; s. 5, ch. 86-238; s. 6, ch. 88-283; s. 1350, ch. 97-102
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Chris Slycord
Film God
Posts: 2986
From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea
Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 06-10-2008 09:48 PM
quote: Robert Crabtree
Chris- If there had been a single adult amongst the thousands of perfect strangers that night who had been entrusted to the care of the kids, someone who could have reported the disappearance of the kids, who could have kept the kids onsite and not wandering out of the mall into highway traffic, who would protect the kids from being victims, like Adam Walsh, to predators, like Jeffrey Dahmer, I'd agree.
Lets cut to the chase: You have picked some arbitrary age where children should never be left alone. Heck, using your reasoning kids shouldn't even be at their own house at that age because they could leave and get run over by a car. Or it should've been seen as abandoning when my mom & dad had to work and I came home on the bus alone (because for all they know, a crazy Dahmer-like person could be hiding in the bushes ready to eat me).
Sure, maybe it'd be better for them to be accompanied by somebody but that doesn't mean that not having someone accompany them is abandoning them.
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I'm done discussing this with you. Both of us clearly disagree on this. Lets leave it at that.
[ 06-10-2008, 10:58 PM: Message edited by: Chris Slycord ]
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Justin Hamaker
Film God
Posts: 2253
From: Lakeport, CA USA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 06-11-2008 01:26 PM
quote: Sean McKinnon
That Florida law clearly defines what in indecent and would actually be very easy to prove. Basically the spirit of that law is that it is a crime to sell or procure a ticket to an R rated movie to a minor under 17. It does not specify R Rated movies but by thier defenition a movie that had that content would be rated "R".
That is certainly true. However, there is a large gaping hole where only movies that specifically include "sexual content", "nudity", or similar language in the rating reason would not be included. Because drug use, violence, language, and other reasons are not include in the language of that law, it would make it difficult to enforce such a law for violating the MPAA ratings. Furthermore, the definition of obscene content includes "which is harmful to minors". That is a totally subjective statement and I would challenge anyone to actually prove that any content in an R rated movie is "harmful" to minors - especially teenagers.
Although I don't agree with censorship, I actually wish the MPAA ratings system would be adopted as law. That would actually make it seem like less of a joke when go through all the bullshit with teenagers about R rated movies. And I think that such a law might just be ok as long as it doesn't attempt to define what should or shouldn't constitute a particular rating. The intent of the ratings to prevent minors from seeing inappropriate content without their parent's permission. It is not an attempt to censor the content of the movies or prevent adults from viewing it.
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